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stinsonmarri · #11 30th June 2012, 07:40 PM

To all you Tea Party members I have one last thing to say and that is learned the lesson from Nebuchadnezzar:

This matter is by the decree of the watchers (The angels), and the demand by the word of the HOLY ONES: (You see even this king knows that there are more than just one god, but three ELOHIM.) to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth (YAHWEH the FATHER) in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever HE will, and setteth up over it the basest of men. (Just like Obama because you have in the past debased the black man.)[/font]That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the MOST HIGHT ruleth (YAHWEH the FATHER) in the kingdom of men), and giveth it to whomsoever HE will. And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto Heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the MOST HIGH, (YAHWEH the FATHER) and I praised and honoured HIM that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and HIS Kingdom is from generation to generation: And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and HE doeth according to HIS will in the army of Heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay HIS hand, or say unto HIM, What doest THOU? Dan 4:17, 25, 34, 35

It was YAHWEH that stay the hand of the Supreme Court and if we will not learn this important stay you will not be among those save in HIS SON'S Kingdom. You can not claim to love YAHWEH ELOHIM whom you have not seen and continue to down grade and hate your brother (Latinos and Blacks also Asians) who you see every day. YAHWEH is watching and many whose name were written in the Book of Life will be blotted out!!!!!

Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri

doc8645 · #12 2nd August 2012, 04:48 PM

hmmmm, just seems a little ironic to defend the supposedly plight of the suppressed minorities and denegrating our founding fathers by quoting a ruler who enslaved a whole nation. Just sayin......

Amisk · #13 5th August 2012, 02:00 PM

Well folks, those of us who live in a Democratic country where elections are held ever so often become responsible for the type of government we get.

I understand that 38 percent of the German people actually voted in the election that put Adolph Hitler into power. If that is the case, then Hitler took the reins because a small percentage in that election actually marked the ballot for him and the entire group who never went to the polling stations also voted for him. Dare we say that Hitler took power by winning the election with maybe 80 percent of the backing of the German population.

Remember, that German election cost 6 million Jews their lives, plus unknown numbers of Gypsies, Pols, along with the Christians who attempted to defended them. That is not to mention the soldiers from many other countries of the world who fought to remove one of the worst monsters this world has ever known.

An unmarked ballot is a vote for whoever wins, whether he is good or bad. No use crying over spilled milk after the election, if you didn't vote.

stinsonmarri · #14 10th August 2012, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by doc8645

hmmmm, just seems a little ironic to defend the supposedly plight of the suppressed minorities and denegrating our founding fathers by quoting a ruler who enslaved a whole nation. Just sayin......

Bro Doc:

Do you know the history of the so call founding fathers? If so please provide it. Nebuchadnezzar did not enslave the people like the Indo-European did to Afrikans. My ancestors were sold like cattle with no respect or dignity. Daniel became a wise man in Neuchadnezzar's palace and eventually became a high rank officer for the king. Pray tell how the founding fathers treated the American Indians and the Afrikan people. This can never be forgotton nor should it be they were human just like the Indo-Europeans. It is an attempt to happen again and the Tea Party and all the new GOP Govenors are trying to suppress voters right back to the days of the Jim Crow laws. Women rights are also being targeted as well.

Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri

MidnightCry · #15 11th August 2012, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by stinsonmarri

Bro Doc:

Do you know the history of the so call founding fathers? If so please provide it. Nebuchadnezzar did not enslave the people like the Indo-European did to Afrikans. My ancestors were sold like cattle with no respect or dignity. Daniel became a wise man in Neuchadnezzar's palace and eventually became a high rank officer for the king. Pray tell how the founding fathers treated the American Indians and the Afrikan people. This can never be forgotton nor should it be they were human just like the Indo-Europeans. It is an attempt to happen again and the Tea Party and all the new GOP Govenors are trying to suppress voters right back to the days of the Jim Crow laws. Women rights are also being targeted as well.

Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri

stinsonmarri,

The people in Africa that came here to be slaves were sold by their own kings. They were sold to the white man by their own people. So if you are going to place blame, you need to do a little more research and place blame on all parties involved, not just one group.

Nebuchadnezzar did not enslave groups of people? Were the Jewish people just in Babylon for an extended vacation?

You need to turn off the liberal media and try doing some research on current events on the internet. The Tea Party is not trying to enslave anyone. And women's rights are not being targeted. Where are you getting all this biased information? Are you one of the three people in the US still watching MSNBC, NBC, CBS?

Happy Sabbath,
MidnightCry

doc8645 · #16 12th August 2012, 04:05 PM

OK, Within the group known as "founding fathers" there are two key groups: the signers of the Declaration of Indepence, and the framers of the Constitution(who were around 74 delegates to the Constitutional Convention), as well as the group that signed the articles of confederation.
The following seven were considered "key" figures: John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and George Washington.
Many wealthy northerners owned domestic slaves: Franklin later freed his slaves and was a key founder of the Pennsylvania Abolition Society. John Jay founded the New York Manumission Society in 1785 (slave abolition), for which Hamilton became an officer. They and other members of the society founded the African Free School in N.Y. city, to educate the children of free blacks and slaves. When Jay was Gov. of N.Y. in 1798,, he signed into law a gradual abolition law: fully ending slavery as of 1827. He freed his own in 1798.
Of the 55 delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, 49 were Protestants, 2 were Roman Catholics. Among the protestants 28 were Wpiscopalian, 8 were Presbyterians, 7 were Congregationalists, 2 were Luthern, 2 were Dutch Reformed, and 2 were Methodist. A few were Anti-Clerical Christians, such as Thomas Jefferson (who created the Jefferson Bible) and Benjamin Franklin. Others, ( most notably Thomas Paine) were Diests, or at least held beliefs similar to those of the Diests.
The founding fathers were strong advocates of Republican values, particularly Samual Adams, Patrick Henry, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, George Washington, James Madison, and Alexander Hamilton, which required men to put civic duty ahead of their personal desires.
For women, "Republican Motherhood" became the ideal, exemplified by Abigail Adams and Mercy Otis Waren: the first duty of the republican woman was to instill republican values in her children and to avoid luxury and ostentation.

I dunno, seems like a pretty diverse and good group of patriots to me, just my opinion.

doc8645

MidnightCry · #17 12th August 2012, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by doc8645

OK, Within the group known as "founding fathers" there are two key groups: the signers of the Declaration of Indepence, and the framers of the Constitution(who were around 74 delegates to the Constitutional Convention), as well as the group that signed the articles of confederation.
The following seven were considered "key" figures: John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and George Washington.
Many wealthy northerners owned domestic slaves: Franklin later freed his slaves and was a key founder of the Pennsylvania Abolition Society. John Jay founded the New York Manumission Society in 1785 (slave abolition), for which Hamilton became an officer. They and other members of the society founded the African Free School in N.Y. city, to educate the children of free blacks and slaves. When Jay was Gov. of N.Y. in 1798,, he signed into law a gradual abolition law: fully ending slavery as of 1827. He freed his own in 1798.
Of the 55 delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, 49 were Protestants, 2 were Roman Catholics. Among the protestants 28 were Wpiscopalian, 8 were Presbyterians, 7 were Congregationalists, 2 were Luthern, 2 were Dutch Reformed, and 2 were Methodist. A few were Anti-Clerical Christians, such as Thomas Jefferson (who created the Jefferson Bible) and Benjamin Franklin. Others, ( most notably Thomas Paine) were Diests, or at least held beliefs similar to those of the Diests.
The founding fathers were strong advocates of Republican values, particularly Samual Adams, Patrick Henry, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, George Washington, James Madison, and Alexander Hamilton, which required men to put civic duty ahead of their personal desires.
For women, "Republican Motherhood" became the ideal, exemplified by Abigail Adams and Mercy Otis Waren: the first duty of the republican woman was to instill republican values in her children and to avoid luxury and ostentation.

I dunno, seems like a pretty diverse and good group of patriots to me, just my opinion.

doc8645

Great post! And educational, too!

Thanks for sharing the info.

YSIC,
MidnightCry

doc8645 · #18 13th August 2012, 08:37 AM

Thanks, no problem, it was a very active and interesting period of time.

doc8645

trubeautie · #19 13th August 2012, 11:07 AM

I lean Libertarian but haven't really followed the whole Tea Party movement. However, that piece posted is disturbing.

"Barack" is unamerican? Just disgusting. So one must have a European name to be American? It's fine for them to have their names but not others? I guess some people will not be satisfied until they erase the non-european. Was the past not enough? The majority of the African Diaspora don't even hold the names our ancestors. What happened to our peoples was completely inhumane.

Secondly, slavery has been occuring throughout human history. It is wrong, but those who sold are responsible for the act of selling - not the perpetuation of chattel slavery for hundreds of years. Further, slaves were acquired by selling and stealing. A minority can as indentured servants and were later enslaved. There is no excuse for what was don an the majority of the blame lies on those who committed the acts of enslavement over generations, which included robbing people of their heritage and cultures.

Even South Asians came to the Americas/Caribbean after slavery as indentured laborers for a supposed fixed term but were never taken home. They were often treated like slaves, beaten and shot at. Many also lost their names. Thankfully, it did not last nearly as long and those descendants were able to preserve and regain much in certain countries. Guess we shouldn't be allowed to have our names either though.

If the Tea Party takes issue with different names, why not return where their name comes from? I will never change my "unamerican name" and will give it to all my children. If that makes me radical, then fine. I will be radical until they stop being radical by using their European names and adopt African or Asian ones instead. SMH. Talk about unChristian views...wow.

trubeautie · #20 13th August 2012, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by doc8645

OK, Within the group known as "founding fathers" there are two key groups: the signers of the Declaration of Indepence, and the framers of the Constitution(who were around 74 delegates to the Constitutional Convention), as well as the group that signed the articles of confederation.
The following seven were considered "key" figures: John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and George Washington.
Many wealthy northerners owned domestic slaves: Franklin later freed his slaves and was a key founder of the Pennsylvania Abolition Society. John Jay founded the New York Manumission Society in 1785 (slave abolition), for which Hamilton became an officer. They and other members of the society founded the African Free School in N.Y. city, to educate the children of free blacks and slaves. When Jay was Gov. of N.Y. in 1798,, he signed into law a gradual abolition law: fully ending slavery as of 1827. He freed his own in 1798.
Of the 55 delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, 49 were Protestants, 2 were Roman Catholics. Among the protestants 28 were Wpiscopalian, 8 were Presbyterians, 7 were Congregationalists, 2 were Luthern, 2 were Dutch Reformed, and 2 were Methodist. A few were Anti-Clerical Christians, such as Thomas Jefferson (who created the Jefferson Bible) and Benjamin Franklin. Others, ( most notably Thomas Paine) were Diests, or at least held beliefs similar to those of the Diests.
The founding fathers were strong advocates of Republican values, particularly Samual Adams, Patrick Henry, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, George Washington, James Madison, and Alexander Hamilton, which required men to put civic duty ahead of their personal desires.
For women, "Republican Motherhood" became the ideal, exemplified by Abigail Adams and Mercy Otis Waren: the first duty of the republican woman was to instill republican values in her children and to avoid luxury and ostentation.

I dunno, seems like a pretty diverse and good group of patriots to me, just my opinion.

doc8645

Yes, at least some of them came to the light and ceased their enslavement of othe human beings. As for Jefferson, I walked the grounds of his university and anyone can see the dungeon type areas where the slaves were kept on the Lawn. One of my dorm was on a slave graveyard. Jefferson's Bible didn't really help him much i suppose. Anyway, the Founders were great thinkers, though flawed like all other humans. As diverse as they may be, they had difficulty standing for principle.