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8th June 2012, 11:12 PM
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To answer that question one needs to look at each belief in detail and determine where it is coming from.
In the 1st chapter of the SDA Fundamental Beliefs on the Word of God, we find that it is based on 207 Bible verses, references to 12 Bible chapters and 8 books in the Bible. vs 4 to EGW (3 pages, and one paragraph), one to Siegfried Horn's book which dealt in part with the DSS and the carefulness with which the Bible was transmitted and one book about Bible interpretation.
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"Analyzing Alleged Plagiarism in Nineteenth-Century Literature: A Case Study of Ellen G. White’s The Desire of Ages," by David J. Conklin, Jerry Moon, & Kevin Morgan. The study compares 225 authors w/ each other. I looked at 860 sources for this study of 488 pgs.
When they cannot & will not tell you the truth on the simple stuff, why should you trust them on the more complex? See what they say about abortion for instance. |
9th June 2012, 02:51 AM
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Reps: 11,944,180,166,409,672 (power: 11,944,180,166,412) | | Originally Posted by David Conklin  To answer that question one needs to look at each belief in detail and determine where it is coming from.
In the 1st chapter of the SDA Fundamental Beliefs on the Word of God, we find that it is based on 207 Bible verses, references to 12 Bible chapters and 8 books in the Bible. vs 4 to EGW (3 pages, and one paragraph), one to Siegfried Horn's book which dealt in part with the DSS and the carefulness with which the Bible was transmitted and one book about Bible interpretation.
you shouldnt forget that the SDA fundamentals are accompanied by huge load of smaller guidelines, which come from the pen of egw, and are considered more or less binding by some... |
9th June 2012, 08:19 AM
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How can you honestly believe that and then distance yourself from it by even a fraction of an inch? |
9th June 2012, 09:16 AM
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Reps: 11,944,180,166,409,672 (power: 11,944,180,166,412) | | Originally Posted by Kira Light If I truly believed God was talking through a person I would in no way distance myself from them. I would put their words as equal to the Bible without question. This is God talking! He inspired those who wrote the Bible and now He inspires another to write more!
How can you honestly believe that and then distance yourself from it by even a fraction of an inch?
of course if you truly believed God was talking through a person then you shouldnt distance yourself from it not even by a fraction of an inch... 
the thing is, I highly doubt there is anyone in the SDA who put all things outlined in the books of egw into practice... |
9th June 2012, 11:42 AM
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Reps: 621,146,527,872,183,040 (power: 0) | | | As Ellen White is believed to be the medium by which God has allowed humanity since the 1800's....
...To know the difference between truth and error.
...Yes, SDA belief is based on what Ellen White said was truth and false. |
9th June 2012, 01:55 PM
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Reps: 21,833,310,355,357,976 (power: 21,833,310,355,362) | | Originally Posted by Pythons ...Yes, SDA belief is based on what Ellen White said was truth and false.
If that were true, then why doesn't the 28 fundamental doctrines of the SDA church cite Ellen White as the inspiration of them, rather than referring to the Bible as a basis for them?
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Reps: 621,146,527,872,183,040 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by cesty
It actually does cite Ellen White. SDA Fundamental Belief #18 One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.) Adventist.org: The Official Site of the Seventh-day Adventist world church
It says above that the writings of Ellen White "have authority" & are a source of truth...
...I would assume that the other source of truth according to SDA's would be the Bible.
...So a person would need to find an explicit statement by Ellen White in her writings about the Bible.
...Yes? Ellen White, Selected Messages Volume 1 chap 1 The Bible is written by inspired men, but it is NOT God's mode of thought and expression. It is that of humanity. God, as a writer, is NOT represented. Men will often say such an expression is not like God. But God has not put Himself in words, in logic, in rhetoric, on trial in the Bible. The writers of the Bible were God's penmen, not His pen."
Ellen White, 1 MR 28 Before I stand on my feet, I have no thought of speaking as plainly as I do. But the Spirit of God rests upon me with power, and I CANNOT but speak the words GIVEN me. I dare not withhold one word of the testimony.... I speak the words GIVEN ME by a higher power than human power, and I CANNOT, if I would, recall [retract] one sentence”
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Reps: 11,944,180,166,409,672 (power: 11,944,180,166,412) | | Originally Posted by Pythons It actually does cite Ellen White. SDA Fundamental Belief #18 One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.) Adventist.org: The Official Site of the Seventh-day Adventist world church
It says above that the writings of Ellen White "have authority" & are a source of truth...
...I would assume that the other source of truth according to SDA's would be the Bible.
...So a person would need to find an explicit statement by Ellen White in her writings about the Bible.
...Yes? Ellen White, Selected Messages Volume 1 chap 1 The Bible is written by inspired men, but it is NOT God's mode of thought and expression. It is that of humanity. God, as a writer, is NOT represented. Men will often say such an expression is not like God. But God has not put Himself in words, in logic, in rhetoric, on trial in the Bible. The writers of the Bible were God's penmen, not His pen."
Ellen White, 1 MR 28 Before I stand on my feet, I have no thought of speaking as plainly as I do. But the Spirit of God rests upon me with power, and I CANNOT but speak the words GIVEN me. I dare not withhold one word of the testimony.... I speak the words GIVEN ME by a higher power than human power, and I CANNOT, if I would, recall [retract] one sentence”
Wow!
its so crazy... |
9th June 2012, 03:13 PM
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Reps: 11,944,180,166,409,672 (power: 11,944,180,166,412) | | Originally Posted by cesty
IMHO there exist two versions of SDAizm...
One, in which the bible is put above everything...
and One, in which egw becomes the ultimate source of truth... above everything...
not too many people will admit that everything is actually based upon her writings, |
9th June 2012, 04:01 PM
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Reps: 621,146,527,872,183,040 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by JohnMarsten IMHO there exist two versions of SDAizm...
One, in which the bible is put above everything...
and One, in which egw becomes the ultimate source of truth... above everything...
not too many people will admit that everything is actually based upon her writings,
From the SDA's I've spoken with about this very question - to the person they maintain...
...That the Bible is the ultimate source of truth, however it's interpreted via Ellen White's prophetic utterance. | | |
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