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Old 10th June 2012, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by wanderingone View Post
The person who robs a house, breaks their leg and somehow ends up permanently disabled would not be ineligible for programs other than worker's comp because his original injury was the result of a criminal activity. He would be ineligible while he was in jail for most programs (although possibly not privately purchased insurance) so why would the person disabled as a result of drug use not be eligible?
They can be eligible for other kinds of private pay insurance if they're insurance company wants to pay out for it. Social Security is an involuntary program that we all have to pay into, and I certainly don't want to pay for it. (Considering that it's going to be gone when I'm 62)
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Originally Posted by wanderingone View Post
I like how you ignore the fact that your premise about the insurance issue isn't valid since SSI isn't funded by FICA, and the fact that many addicts have an assortment of illnesses that may have resulted in the addiction, leaving it not entirely clear if any long term disability is the result of the drug addiction or the illness.
SSI is funded by us. They take it out of our paychecks every week.

Yes, we all know that if a pill head has a liver condition, there's reasonable doubt as to whether it was the result of their illegal habit.

I'm speaking of cases where we know 100% their condition came from their drug use. A case where someone with perfectly normal brain function smokes crack until the point where they can't hold down a job anymore mentally. That's the kind of case I'm talking about.
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Originally Posted by miniverchivi View Post
Insurance:
Insurance is a form of risk management primarily used to hedge against the risk of a contingent, uncertain loss.

According to the Social Security Act:
Drug addicts may receive SSI payments as disabled persons if they meet the definition of disability in the Social Security Act.

Social security, like homeowners insurance, is a group of people all putting money into the same pool so in the unlikely event something bad happens, the money in the pool can cover it.

I have a couple different problems with the idea of SSI covering drug addicts.

I'll use a couple of scenarios pertaining to homeowners insurance as comparison.

If someone's house got flooded, and it destroyed $150k worth of cocaine in their basement, would you be happy if your insurance company dipped into the money pool you contributed to to pay for it?

Would you feel confident if your insurance company was providing coverage and payments to people who knowlingly and purposely burned their own house down?

I feel that's essentially what is happening. SSI is paying out to people to willfully engaged in an illegal activity, and paying out to people who purposely and knowlingly engaged in an activity that made what would normally be an "unfortunate unlikely event" into a for sure thing.
SSI is NOT part of Social Security!

Supplemental Security Income

Supplemental Security Income (SSI) is a Federal income supplement program funded by general tax revenues (not Social Security taxes):
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Originally Posted by miniverchivi View Post
SSI is funded by us. They take it out of our paychecks every week.
SSI is NOT taken as part of FICA, it's part of the general fund yes it's tax payer funded, but it's not insurance.

Yes, we all know that if a pill head has a liver condition, there's reasonable doubt as to whether it was the result of their illegal habit.

I'm speaking of cases where we know 100% their condition came from their drug use. A case where someone with perfectly normal brain function smokes crack until the point where they can't hold down a job anymore mentally. That's the kind of case I'm talking about.
It doesn't matter WHY they have the disability, the point is they have it, and in many cases HAVE a mental health issue that preceded the drug addiction.

Your solution appears to be that rather than provide a method of subsistence support that no help be given and former and current addict be left to fend for themselves because they were addicted to some form of drug at some point.
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Originally Posted by miniverchivi View Post
They can be eligible for other kinds of private pay insurance if they're insurance company wants to pay out for it. Social Security is an involuntary program that we all have to pay into, and I certainly don't want to pay for it. (Considering that it's going to be gone when I'm 62)
It's not going to be gone, and SSI is NOT paid out from the social security fund.
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Originally Posted by wanderingone View Post
It's not going to be gone, and SSI is NOT paid out from the social security fund.
Did they lower the eligibility age to 50 or something? Looks like that's the only way I'll get to see any of it.

Originally Posted by Published statement by the Trustees of the SS accounts in April of this year
The budget outlook for Social Security is getting dimmer. The fund that helps finance benefits for 44 million senior citizens and survivors of deceased workers will be exhausted by 2035. Aid would have to be cut at that point if Congress doesn’t intervene.


Sorry, I misspoke then...It comes from income & general tax revenues, but that doesn't soften the blow at all. If they're going to take my money that I worked for by force to give to someone else...it doesn't matter much whether they take it from my checking or take it from my savings.
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