Does grace mean failing?

No. If you disobey repent go on. We're talking about how to stay in this or the spirit/christ/love/truth/fear etc etc we are all of one, nothing can separate us from this truth or the love of the truth.

Consider the two seeds. Seed of the serpent or The Seed which is Christ in you (Paul said therefore are you that Seed, he makes us every bit one with Christ as Christ is with the Father). Image's Idols etc etc are all things that are without. We are in him so it is the things that are without that become a path of a serpent to us. These things draw us into disobedience. We become brought into captivity or bondage to a thought that has been seeded from without. In the heavely Jerusalem/bride/mind of Christ nothing enters into it that worketh or maketh a lie.

When we answer somebody according to their perception afforded them by the serpent we become as they are. When you answer a fool according to their folly you become a fool yourself. You come into agreement with something that is less than this mark Paul spoke of or less than the high calling in Christ Jesus.

Job answered his friends and fulfilled the judgment of the wicked (comdemnation) Judgment and justice took hold of him. He justified himself rather than God.

About admiration for a harlot. I was watching one of those F-22 Raptors fly in and as I was looking at the jet, an amazing piece of technology the spirit spoke those words and I was filled with why John had such great admiration for her. What man through his soul/harlot had made, (in the OT the raptors were chariots and horses, Solomon built cities for his and we can see the end that these things wrought in Solomon, and instructiuon in righteousness)

When we are obedient to the heavenly vision, we eat the good of the land/christ. In obedinece the tree of knoweldge yieds it's fruit to you without ever having to touch it. I'm not kidding around here about this stuff. If you do not eat of the fruit of your own reasoning/thoughts (not talking about fixing a car or baking bisquits) lose your soul you gain it. It is here that we learn ever deeper what it means to wait on the Lord. When we do the spirit of the father that is in us leads us into this all truth. But we must let go everyday (not forget about it) that which is behind, the manna is fresh every day, we die daily. Behind us is a wilderness before us is as the garden of God. These are all pictures of the same thing.

The ones that get the victory over the beast and the number of his name (man or walk as men) are those who love not their Life (this is the word soul) unto death. You see this in picture form as being under the altar or being beheaded. People try to interpret the Bible from without. This is the revealtion of Jesus Christ and this my friend is happening in us.

Job turned from what he heard to what he saw just like John turned to see. The tickling of the ear is a truth that is less than one. It sounds good or looks like the garden of God or is desired to make one wise. He has been made these things to us, it is not of gain, this is a path of a serpent, rather he is in us to the point of fulness, nothing can be added to it and nothing can be taken away from it. There is therefore no condemnation. It is our thoughts seeded from without that carry us away from this truth.

I'm babbling, sorry.

Well amen brother. I'm right there with you. I pray the Holy Spirit will give you the strength to make through what ever it is that He has ordained you to go through,all for your good according to His Promise here:
Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
and me also Father GOD,in Christ Jesus Name Amen...


Blessings...
SC

You're ok

Thanks brother.

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." - 1 John 1:8-10

"Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;" Ephesians 5:17-19


The sanctifying life is the penitent life. The Law reveals to us our brokenness and inability to be perfect. This doesn't excuse us though, for the Law is good and right and how we Love the Father and our neighbor. When we truly turn to and believe in the Truth we accept and embrace the Divine Love and we turn from and reject sin. We desire to be filled with the Spirit of Holiness rather then the Spirit of the World or this Age.

When we are carried away, as so often happens because we're weak; out of our love for the Father, we humble ourselves, take ownership and apologize and ask for forgiveness. We obey from the heart and our faith is internal and true rather then a mere external or outwardly appearance of righteousness.


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Thank you brother.

The serpent is subtly. He takes our desire to be like our heavenly Father and turns it into a path to become like him. By the acknowledging every good thing that is in you that is in christ Jesus our faith becomes effectual. Those who are born of God do not sin. It is from this foundation that we war from. Behold now are we regardless of whether it appear's this way or not. All fornication, idolatry begins when we get our eye off of this truth that we have been made to be in him. Pray always, this prayer is not one that departs our lips but a walk in the knowledge of Christ with our eye single. In him we live and move and have our being. We are in a state of fulness, for we are in him. It is grace that we live in as much as fear, love, holiness ... etc, etc, etc.

Originally Posted by seekertruth72

Does living by Grace mean that we fail sometimes by disobeying God?

And if so how do we deal with times that we disobey God?

And if not how does one become perfect and never disobey God?

I believe we need God's grace because we inevitably fail. God is gracious to forgive and help us so we can maintain relationship with Him as we try our best to remain true to his will. At the times we fail, I believe we go to God in truth and bare ourselves and totally confess so that we can have fellowship with God again. God is gracious to forgive and love us. Perfection... not in this life time on earth. God is the only perfect being. It's why we so desperately need His grace.

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Thank you Colleen

Just like it was for Jesus, it is by forgiving others that we enter into to this everlasting habitation, or this abiding, in the Father's commandment.

Joh_12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting ...

Psa_133:3 As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.