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Reps: 65,171,837,403,330,656 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by kiwimac  What a crock of heiferdust. is it not interesting a christian, and one that is responbible for teaching others would employ such vulgar word? i didnt even know what it means until i looked it up.
you certianly have a very wide range of vocubularies. |
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Reps: 42,271,924,652,655 (power: 42,271,924,654) | | Originally Posted by kiwimac What a crock of heiferdust.
That doesn't surprise me coming from an anglican church minister - wishy-washy as usual.
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Reps: 1,058,546,147,353,140,480 (power: 1,058,546,147,353,176) | | Originally Posted by Grace51 is it not interesting a christian, and one that is responbible for teaching others would employ such vulgar word? i didnt even know what it means until i looked it up.
you certianly have a very wide range of vocubularies. Originally Posted by Douvie That doesn't surprise me coming from an anglican church minister - wishy-washy as usual.
I am an Old Catholic Priest not an Anglican one and as for a range of vocabularies, you should have heard my father who was both a RSM and had ridden the boundaries for many years.
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Reps: 104,300,262,354,738,384 (power: 104,300,262,354,743) | | Originally Posted by Born to Watch The government are the people, you are wrong...
Not sure what you're saying here.
Marriage is between man and woman, the sinful perversion is a state of the fallen.
Nope.
Used to be between a man and many women. Even in your bible. And it can be between two people of the same-sex too in some countries. And there have been recorded instances of same-sex marriages throughout the millennia, albeit rare.
Same-sex marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Where does sin come into law making or marriage?
Are all those non-Christian people getting married not also sinful marriages?
Marriage is a Genesis covenant, sorry you are wrong.
Sorry. I'm right.(Also, it's Malachi 2 where marriage is first mentioned as a covenant, not Genesis. and that's in the NIV. Not the KJV.)
You forget about marriage licences and the marriage rights granted by such.
Your government and it's predecessors have been making laws on marriage for nigh 500 years.
Marriage Act 1540 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And it's become a secular institution. Allowing people of all religions and none to marry for those rights.
The reason people want to be married is because its imprinted on our souls from God. No animals get married, we are not animals.
It has been hypothesised that marriage came about in practically all societies because it is a part of human nature to want exclusive bonding and mating rights with sexual partners.
But i guess god of the gaps can be used in the mean time.
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10th June 2012, 03:49 AM
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Reps: 42,271,924,652,655 (power: 42,271,924,654) | | Originally Posted by kiwimac I am an Old Catholic Priest not an Anglican one and as for a range of vocabularies, you should have heard my father who was both a RSM and had ridden the boundaries for many years.
Catholic or Anglo-catholic what is the difference? Papal error or Anglican willfulness? I see no difference. You both depart from the Word of God! Especially the words of Christ "...call no man father for one is your father...God."
And now, even more so, why should I believe anything you write or say.
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Reps: 65,171,837,403,330,656 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Douvie Catholic or Anglo-catholic what is the difference? Papal error or Anglican willfulness? I see no difference. You both depart from the Word of God! Especially the words of Christ "...call no man father for one is your father...God."
And now, even more so, why should I believe anything you write or say.
am looking forward to kiwimac response to this one.
in fact, it would be even more interesting if kiwimac remain unrepentent.
he would not be the first servants of God who does this kind thing.
it always saddens me greatly to see this type of behaviours within christian community.
especailly God clearly tell us He cant be mocked.
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10th June 2012, 04:20 AM
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Reps: 42,271,924,652,655 (power: 42,271,924,654) | | Sorry. I'm right.(Also, it's Malachi 2 where marriage is first mentioned as a covenant, not Genesis. and that's in the NIV. Not the KJV.)
Actually it is mentioned in various books of the bible. So you are wrong. It is mentioned in Ezekiel for one but sorry I wouldn't use the NIV - to many mistranslations and missing verses or parts of verses.
And it is implied in Genesis - especially but the words "help meet" in verse 20 and by "wife" in verses 24 & 25. Unless you want to knit-pick about the word marriage. But that is a little hard seeing that if you take marriage away - a girlfriend in now designated a wife and a boyfriend a husband.
Also in the text, God presents the woman to the man - and as implied she was taken out of man and so man and woman makes one unit - becoming "one flesh" thus instituting the "marriage" as a covenant. That is whether you like it or not - quite frankly I don't care what you think. Thus marriage was designed by God for, not only the propagation of the human race, the wholeness of man and as a symbolic, purely symbolic nothing more, representation of The Godhead.
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Reps: 104,300,262,354,738,384 (power: 104,300,262,354,743) | | Originally Posted by Douvie Actually it is mentioned in various books of the bible. So you are wrong. It is mentioned in Ezekiel for one but sorry I wouldn't use the NIV - to many mistranslations and missing verses or parts of verses.
And it is implied in Genesis - especially but the words "help meet" in verse 20 and by "wife" in verses 24 & 25. Unless you want to knit-pick about the word marriage. But that is a little hard seeing that if you take marriage away - a girlfriend in now designated a wife and a boyfriend a husband.
Also in the text, God presents the woman to the man - and as implied she was taken out of man and so man and woman makes one unit - becoming "one flesh" thus instituting the "marriage" as a covenant. That is whether you like it or not - quite frankly I don't care what you think. Thus marriage was designed by God for, not only the propagation of the human race, the wholeness of man and as a symbolic, purely symbolic nothing more, representation of The Godhead.
I understand that those verses tend to be thought of as referring to marriage. But can you call that a covenant?
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Oh.
Never mind.
After looking into it; it seems Covenant has a broader meaning than i thought it did.
My bad.
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Reps: 42,271,924,652,655 (power: 42,271,924,654) | | Originally Posted by Genersis I understand that those verses tend to be thought of as referring to marriage. But can you call that a covenant?
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Oh.
Never mind.
After looking into it; it seems Covenant has a broader meaning than i thought it did.
My bad.
Actually yes. God deals with man in covenants - or testaments.
when HE deals with Adam and Eve - the Adamic covenant.
When He deals with Noah - the Noahican covenant.
Then with Abraham, and Moses, and so on.
Quite normal. Then of course we have thr new Testament/covenant - the covenant of Jesus Christ.
There are others which take the idea of covenant/testament even further - I have not thought on these things
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Reps: 42,271,924,652,655 (power: 42,271,924,654) | | Originally Posted by Grace51 am looking forward to kiwimac response to this one.
in fact, it would be even more interesting if kiwimac remain unrepentent.
he would not be the first servants of God who does this kind thing.
it always saddens me greatly to see this type of behaviours within christian community.
especailly God clearly tell us He cant be mocked.
well, we'll see.
Yeah it saddens me when someone refers to a papal priest as a servant of God - he is a servant of the pope not a servant of God. The Reformers would call him something else. The papal system is non-christian. He is a member of the same system guilty for the death of many Christians. I personally don't have an issue with a catholic - but when a priest (as he calls himself) used questionable words then I do have issue. I judge just as everyone else does - by his words.
Also, the fact that he hides under the ANGLICAN name makes one wonder why? What has he got to hide? Why did he not come out right in thr beginning that he is a Catholic Priest? Motive?
Obviously there is a problem when people can't distinguish what is Christian and what is not Christian. Yes God cannot be mocked or lied to remember that.
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