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Old 7th June 2012, 06:48 AM
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As a Conservative, I believe that life is sacred, and that abortion ought to be outlawed- But within the confines of the Constitution. I believe that, in order to do this, life must be legally recognized within the womb. At that point, the states would be Constitutionally compelled to pass laws protecting life.

Ahhh, but they do. And there in lies the hypocrisy. Say your driving your car, you carelessly run a red light, and hit and kill a pregnant woman. Depending on the judge, you'll be charged either with homicide or manslaughter, but whichever your charged with, it would be two counts, meaning you killed the mother and the unborn child. So why does the law recognize the life of an unborn child in that case, but not abortion?

Long story short, I believe life begins in the womb, and therefor abortion equals murder. Christian or politician, we recognize murder as a severe no-no. So any argument for abortion pertaining to choice, freedom from religion, political stances, women's rights, etc all fall short as none of those issues should trump murder. And yes, even in rape cases.

As for SSM, I couldn't care less what two consenting adults choose to do in the bedroom. But I don't need everything redefined to accommodate everyone. I have no problem with two homosexuals forming a legalized union, with all the same rights afforded to them that's afforded to a married couple. That's just my opinion, as a Christian, as an American, and as a fellow human being, across the board.
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Old 7th June 2012, 07:26 AM
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My take on gay marriage...if they want the right to pay for a divorce lawyer, be my guest.

Heterosexual marriages don't automatically get acknowledged by God, btw. Just because one has that legal paper does not mean God accepts the marriage, so I think Christians are overstepping and are being very hypocritical by singling out gay marriages and saying nothing to all the secular heterosexual marriages that have nothing to do with God. This is just as sinful.
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Originally Posted by sorednax View Post
Ahhh, but they do. And there in lies the hypocrisy. Say your driving your car, you carelessly run a red light, and hit and kill a pregnant woman. Depending on the judge, you'll be charged either with homicide or manslaughter, but whichever your charged with, it would be two counts, meaning you killed the mother and the unborn child. So why does the law recognize the life of an unborn child in that case, but not abortion?

Long story short, I believe life begins in the womb, and therefor abortion equals murder. Christian or politician, we recognize murder as a severe no-no. So any argument for abortion pertaining to choice, freedom from religion, political stances, women's rights, etc all fall short as none of those issues should trump murder. And yes, even in rape cases.
Very interesting point about the law there. So, the law in America does indeed recognize a baby before it is born as human (and it SHOULD). Why then, does it allow for the mother to give permission for a doctor to commit murder on it? Absolute hypocrisy. The entire allowance of abortion is fully demoniacally influenced and really, whether the people who kill them know it or not, they are participating in a demonic blood sacrifice of children to Satan. The government who legalizes abortion might as well just bow before the pagan god of sacrifice; Moloch. Oh... wait... they already do at Bohemian grove.
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Old 7th June 2012, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by sorednax View Post
Ahhh, but they do. And there in lies the hypocrisy. Say your driving your car, you carelessly run a red light, and hit and kill a pregnant woman. Depending on the judge, you'll be charged either with homicide or manslaughter, but whichever your charged with, it would be two counts, meaning you killed the mother and the unborn child. So why does the law recognize the life of an unborn child in that case, but not abortion?
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Very interesting point about the law there. So, the law in America does indeed recognize a baby before it is born as human (and it SHOULD). Why then, does it allow for the mother to give permission for a doctor to commit murder on it? Absolute hypocrisy.
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For the sake of Rion's thread, why don't we bring this section of the discussion elsewhere? I'll edit in a link shortly. HERE

In the meantime, Rion, I hope you've been getting the answers you were looking for!
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