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I would do neither, in a thread taking questions on creationism.
Creationist:
Add as much time and chance on mount in probable "as you wish" -- and then you will find that.
1. dust and gas will never make a horse.
2. The sun will never make a human brain.
3. An Amoeba will never turn into a horse.
4. Prokaryotes do not "turn into" Eukaryotes.
Evolutionist -
Oh yes they I will -- I just know they will.
Collin Patterson - Paleontologist British Museum of Natural history speaking at the American Museum of Natural History in 1981 - said:
Patterson - quotes Gillespie's arguing that Christians "'...holding creationist ideas could plead ignorance of the means and affirm only the fact,'"
Patterson countered, "That seems to summarize the feeling I get in talking to evolutionists today. They plead ignorance of the means of transformation, but affirm only the fact: 'Yes it has...we know it has taken place.'"
"...Now I think that many people in this room would acknowledge that during the last few years, if you had thought about it at all, you've experienced a shift from evolution as knowledge to evolution as faith. I know that's true of me, and I think it's true of a good many of you in here...
"...,Evolution not only conveys no knowledge, but seems somehow to convey anti-knowledge , apparent knowledge which is actually harmful to systematics..."
Evolutionist response: pretend that you did not read that.
11 seconds Flummoxed silence in response to evolutionism 101 softball lob.
Richard Dawkins stumped by creationists' question (RAW FTGE) - YouTube
Add as much time and chance on mount in probable "as you wish" -- and then you will find that.
Originally Posted by BobRyan
1. dust and gas will never make a horse.
Not directly, no. Dust can make a man though, so it's not out of the bounds of plausibility biblically?
Originally Posted by BobRyan
2. The sun will never make a human brain.
I should hope not!
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3. An Amoeba will never turn into a horse.
Nope. It won't. Absolutely right. For the umpteenth time.
Originally Posted by BobRyan
4. Prokaryotes do not "turn into" Eukaryotes.
Ok, you're clearly expert enough to answer this then:
How do you explain why chloroplasts and mitochondria have their own genetic makeup, their own DNA, which is different to that of the nucleus of the cell they are in, other than via endosymbiosis? Why is this different DNA so similar to prokaryotic DNA, especially as regards its circularity?
Why would an intelligent designer design mitochondrial DNA to be different to that of the nucleus of the very same cell? Serves no rational purpose. Why would they make it look just like prokaryotic DNA, exactly as you'd expect from endosymbiosis - to mess with our minds?
Why do chloroplasts and mitochondria both have an outer AND an inner membrane - if not because it came about via endosymbiosis of a photosynthetic bacterium into another bacterium, the first and very big step towards eukaryotes?
Do tell.
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Add as much time and chance on mount in probable "as you wish" -- and then you will find that.
1. dust and gas will never make a horse.
Wrong.
Originally Posted by BobRyan
2. The sun will never make a human brain.
Wrong.
Originally Posted by BobRyan
3. An Amoeba will never turn into a horse.
Right.
Originally Posted by BobRyan
4. Prokaryotes do not "turn into" Eukaryotes.
Right. Eukaryotes share a common ancestor with arcaea, which in turn shares a common ancestor with bacteria. Eukaryota is closer to Archaea than Bacteria.
Originally Posted by BobRyan
Collin Patterson - Paleontologist British Museum of Natural history speaking at the American Museum of Natural History in 1981 - said:
Patterson - quotes Gillespie's arguing that Christians "'...holding creationist ideas could plead ignorance of the means and affirm only the fact,'"
Patterson countered, "That seems to summarize the feeling I get in talking to evolutionists today. They plead ignorance of the means of transformation, but affirm only the fact: 'Yes it has...we know it has taken place.'"
"...Now I think that many people in this room would acknowledge that during the last few years, if you had thought about it at all, you've experienced a shift from evolution as knowledge to evolution as faith. I know that's true of me, and I think it's true of a good many of you in here...
"...,Evolution not only conveys no knowledge, but seems somehow to convey anti-knowledge , apparent knowledge which is actually harmful to systematics..."
Wrong. Patterson's actual words are free for anyone to see, so misquoting him will get you nowhere. Patterson himself was aware of Creationists lying about what he said, and he firmly and unequivocably rejected their claims - he did not say what you claim he said, and he himself rejected your claims long ago. Here is his 1993 response to someone who faxed him, asking him to clarify on the quotes circulated in his name:
The famous "keynote address" at the American Museum of Natural History in 1981 was nothing of the sort. It was a talk to the "Systematics Discussion Group" in the Museum, an (extremely) informal group. I had been asked to talk to them on "Evolutionism and creationism"; fired up by a paper by Ernst Mayr published in Science just the week before. I gave a fairly rumbustious talk, arguing that the theory of evolution had done more harm than good to biological systematics (classification). Unknown to me, there was a creationist in the audience with a hidden tape recorder. So much the worse for me. But my talk was addressed to professional systematists, and concerned systematics, nothing else.
I hope that by now I have learned to be more circumspect in dealing with creationists, cryptic or overt. But I still maintain that scepticism is the scientist's duty, however much the stance may expose us to ridicule.
Yours Sincerely,
[signed]
Colin Patterson
To anyone who does even the slightest bit of research, it's clear your claims are a) copy-and-pasted from some other Creationist site, b) not checked for their validity, and c) utterly and demonstrably wrong.
Originally Posted by BobRyan
11 seconds Flummoxed silence in response to evolutionism 101 softball lob.
Richard Dawkins stumped by creationists' question (RAW FTGE) - YouTube
And as we've all explained to you, time and time again, Dawkins paused because he realised the true intentions of the interviewers, that the interviewers had lied about their intentions and had revealed themselves with their question. The question itself is trivial, and Dawkins knows it - he's simply heading them off from their obvious target.
Dawkins gives the true rendition of events here, and the full, unedited footage exists showing how the Creationists simply edited the interview to make it look like Dawkins was flummoxed by a simple question - he wasn't.
In short, the video is a hoax.
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Add as much time and chance on mount in probable "as you wish" -- and then you will find that.
1. dust and gas will never make a horse.
2. The sun will never make a human brain.
3. An Amoeba will never turn into a horse.
4. Prokaryotes do not "turn into" Eukaryotes.
Evolutionist -
Oh yes they I will -- I just know they will.
Evolutionist response: pretend that you did not read that.
11 seconds Flummoxed silence in response to evolutionism 101 softball lob.
Is that really the best you can do?
1. An old quote mine.
2. Some video with some scientist.... not saying something??
3. Stupid caricatures like: "dust turning into a horse."
How does any of this relate to the title of this pathetic thread of yours?
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"Creationists can't all be right but they can all be wrong."
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” It is the kind of question only a creationist would ask in that way, and it was at this point I tumbled to the fact that I had been duped into granting an interview to creationists — a thing I normally don’t do, for good reasons"
-Dawkins
Pretty much sums up the duplicitous behavior of creo frauds.
” It is the kind of question only a creationist would ask in that way, and it was at this point I tumbled to the fact that I had been duped into granting an interview to creationists — a thing I normally don’t do, for good reasons"
-Dawkins
Pretty much sums up the duplicitous behavior of creo frauds.
Creationists always use such underhanded and dishonest tactics. Why can't they see this themselves?
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Add as much time and chance on mount in probable "as you wish" -- and then you will find that.
1. dust and gas will never make a horse.
2. The sun will never make a human brain.
3. An Amoeba will never turn into a horse.
4. Prokaryotes do not "turn into" Eukaryotes.
Evolutionist -
Oh yes they I will -- I just know they will.
Evolutionist response: pretend that you did not read that.
11 seconds Flummoxed silence in response to evolutionism 101 softball lob.
That is nice. so why is it still the underlying theory of biology after 150+ years? Are all scientists incompetent or is it a vast conspiracy?
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