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Israel is Mystery Babylon the Great

Mystery Babylon The Great Is Israel


This article is not to condemn all Jews, but only the criminal element that John warns about in Revelation. John refers to this criminal element of Judah as The Synagogue of Satan. These are Jews who not only hate and victimize the lost tribes of Israel and gentiles alike, but also other righteous Jews as well. While the Kingdom of Judah is responsible for this Satanic cult, keep in mind that Judah was loyal while the northern Kingdom of Israel was the adulterous kingdom during the era of Hosea, before these Lost Tribes of Israel were taken captive by the Assyrians in God’s jealous revenge for their idolatry. There is nothing racially wrong with Jews. This element of Judah is evil because they worship Satan (Revelation 3:9.)


Was Israel’s formation in 1948 really the fulfillment of Ezekiel’s prophecy? What is the difference between Israel and Judah? Why does the Bible warn about Jews who claim to be Jews but are not? In this article we will discuss the above questions as well as many of the characteristics of Mystery Babylon the Great. If we put all of these characteristics together here is the image that seems to appear. Mystery Babylon the Great is a great religious power as well as a city. Despite the fact that most of the world hates her, she has great power and influence over the peoples of the world. Yeshua charges her with the death of people who would be considered the saints of God. She is most likely both a country and religious power who professes a faith in the true God but this faith is for show and she is really full of betrayal and disobedience. The Antichrist and the fourth beast kingdom will hate her and destroy her with fire.


The very notion that two entities exist that fulfill so many of the prophetic requirements concerning Mystery Babylon the Great should raise a great amount of suspicion to any scrupulous Bible investigator. Has Satan created a counterfeit Mystery Babylon the Great to distract attention from the real one? Satan wants to deceive as many people as possible into worshiping him. Satan knows that Christians will be watchful of an emerging New World Order, an Antichrist, a Mark of the Beast, and a Mystery Babylon the Great as fulfillment of prophecy warning of his end times evil kingdom. What better way to deceive Christians than to create counterfeits of all of the above? Satan will create phoney puppets for all of the major prophecies in Revelation, then when he shows up on the scene, pretending to be Yeshua, he will sacrifice his above mentioned counterfeits. Most Christians, having bought into Satan’s deceptions, will incorrectly perceive the destruction of the counterfeits as fulfillment of prophecy which predates the second coming. Satan will effectively make Revelation happen before it actually happens. After such a clever deception how many will still have faith?


What is the difference between Judah and Israel?


All of the descendents of Jacob, who’s name was changed to Israel, are Israelites. Many Christians might be surprised to learn that Israel split into two parts after the reign of King Solomon. Before then, all 12 tribes were united under the leadership of Judah. This split is recorded in II Chronicles 10 and I Kings 12 detail the politics which created this separation. The division resulted in the northern kingdom of Samaria (the “House of Israel”) and the southern kingdom of Judea (the “House of Judah”) in the Holy Land.


The 10 northern tribes (I Kings 11:31, 35) which composed the House of Israel were the tribes of Reuben, Issachar, Zebulun, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Benjamin, Ephraim and Manasseh. These 10 northern tribes were led by Ephraim (Gen. 48:14-22). After their spiritual adultery, God allowed the northern kingdom of Israel to be gradually conquered and enslaved by the Assyrians (2 Kings 17:1-23). By 721 B.C. the last of the ‘Lost Ten Tribes of Israel’ had all been enslaved, losing their religion and their identity.
The House of Judah was initially composed of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. (I Kings 12:21; II Chron. 11:12). After Jeroboam and his sons had rejected Levi as priests, they too joined forces with Judah (II Chron. 11:13-14.) In 586 B.C, 135 years after the northern kingdom of Israel was enslaved by the Assyrians, Judah’s Temple was destroyed and they were conquered by the Babylonians. The Jews were freed when Cyrus the Great of Persia conquered Babylon in 538 B.C.


As you can see, while all Jews are Israelites, not all Israelites are Jews. Most Israelites, in fact, are not Jews. The word “Jew” is derived from “Judah.” The designation “Jew” is a term that is used to refer to the individual tribe of Judah. The term “Jew” was also used to describe the tribes who made up the southern kingdom of Judah. Only the tribes that made up the kingdom of Judah were “Jewish” by kingdom. Also, in a religious sense, since “Judaism” only became a term used to describe the religion of the kingdom of Judah after the 10 northern tribes of the kingdom of Israel had been taken captive by the Assyrians, the 10 northern tribes have never been “Jewish” in a religious sense either. The 10 northern tribes of Israel are not Jews by race, tribe or kingdom. Since their division, Judah and Israel have even fought wars against each other (II Kings 16:5-6.)
Notice that the distinction between Judah and Israel was understood in the Old Testament


When Rehoboam came to Jerusalem, he assembled all the house of Judah, and the tribe of Benjamin, a hundred and eighty thousand chosen warriors, to fight against the house of Israel, to restore the kingdom to Rehoboam the son of Solomon. (1 Kings 12:21)


When will the two kingdoms be restored and the real regathering happen?

When Babylon is destroyed, the sins of the house of Judah and the house of Israel will be pardoned, the exile will be over and at long last the house of Judah and the house of Israel will be restored. (Jeremiah 50:20).

The Bible mentions only one post Yeshua regathering. Mainstream Christians seemingly believe that the 1948 gathering was in prophecy, but also believe there will be another gathering that has not happened yet. Where do these Christians find the evidence for two? The great regathering to the promised land which will reunite Israel and Judah will not happen until during the tribulation (Jeremiah 50:2-5, Jeremiah 30:7-10) after Mystery Babylon the Great is destroyed (Jeremiah 50:20, Jeremiah 50:2-5). Obviously the tribulation has not happened yet. The regathering corresponds to the second coming of Yeshua and the tribulation (Jeremiah 23:3-6, Romans 9:25-28, Isaiah 10:20–23). Also the Bible states that Yeshua will be the one who regathers (Jeremiah 31:10), not the United Nations. God said he would destroy the nations from which the Israelites were scattered. Why hasn’t God destroyed Europe, if the nation Israel, in the middle east, is really a nation of God? Why would God destroy Christian nations when he himself says that Judaism is an antichrist religion? (1 John 2:22)
If Israel becoming a nation in 1948 was really the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy then why wasn’t the kingdom of Israel gathered with the kingdom of Judah? The regathering prophecy requires the gathering together of ALL of Jacob / Israel (Hosea 1:10-11, Micah 2:12.) All twelve tribes, both kingdoms, Israel and Judah will need to have been gathered to the promised land. If you are a Christian who believes the Bible is divinely inspired, then you must admit that the gathering that happened in 1948 is not the real gathering that is spoken of in prophecy. The northern Kingdom of Israel, was taken into captivity by the Assyrians in 722 B.C. These Lost Tribes of Israel lost their identity and their religion. They were worshiping Pagan Gods and they did not realize they were Israelites. Yeshua told his apostles to “preach only unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matthew 10:5-6.) Therefore at the time Yeshua was preaching, these Lost Tribes of Israel, were still lost and still pagan, and only a short while away from converting to Christianity in mass. As said before, God said he would regather ALL of Israel, while the kingdom of Judah denied Yeshua, the Kingdom of Israel, the Lost Tribes, embraced Yeshua and Christianity spread throughout the kingdom of Israel. So obviously, when Israel became a nation in 1948, only the Jewish kingdom of Judah was gathered, and not the lost tribe Christian kingdom of Israel, therefore the prophecies were never fulfilled.


Furthermore the Bible states clearly that Judah and Israel will call on God during the tribulation. The only way to call on God is through the son (John 14:6.) Judah therefore must convert to Christianity during the tribulation or their calls and prayers could not be answered. When the real regathering happens it will include the remnant of both kingdoms each having embraced Yeshua as messiah.


God promised that Israel would never be attacked or have their land threatened on any of the three annual feast days (Exodus 34:22-24). Each time that ancient Israel was attacked on a feast day signified that it had broken the covenant with God. The historian Josephus, according to Don Preston in Countdown to Nowhere, argues that Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem during the feast of Pentecost in 586 B.C. He also points out that the Romans also destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D during the Pentecost. The modern nation of Israel was attacked on the Passover on 3/27/2002. Signifying that the nation of Israel is an abomination to God.
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Doesn’t Zachariah say that Judah will be gathered first?

“…Jerusalem” (IE The People, the tribes of Israel) “will be living again in the place which is hers, that is, in Jerusalem. 7 And the Lord will give salvation to the tents of Judah first” (as opposed to the rest of Jerusalem, IE the 10 lost tribes) “so that the glory of the family of David and the glory of the people of Jerusalem” (IE The rest of the lost tribes) “may not be greater than that of Judah” (Zechariah 12:6,7)
This passage marks a clear difference between Judah and the rest of Jerusalem. “… glory of the people of Jerusalem may not be greater than that or Judah.” This passage states that all of Jerusalem (all 12 tribes of Israel) will need to be regathered: “Jerusalem will be living in Jerusalem”. Obviously that has not happened yet. So the nation Israel is a counterfeit.


It seems, however, that when the real regathering happens. Judah, indeed, will be given salvation first.


What happened to the Kingdom of Israel?
The prophet Hosea preached several decades before the fall of the House of Israel to the Assyrians in 722 B.C. While addressing the failings and issues of both the House of Israel and the House of Judah his primary message is directed at the House of Israel, also known as Ephraim.


In an effort to illustrate the House of Israel’s spiritual adultery against Him, YHVH commanded Hosea to take a prostitute for a wife (Hos. 1:2). Hosea and the prostitute had 3 children. God had Hosea name them symbolically to show how he was going to deal with the House of Israel. The children were named Jezreel (“God sows”), Lo-Ruhamah (“no mercy”), and Lo-Ammi (“no people”).


All three of these names are representative of God’s punishment on the House of Israel. Jezreel represented God’s sowing of the House of Israel among the Gentile nations of the earth after they were carried away into captivity by the Assyrians (Hos. 8:8; Zec. 10:7-10). Lo-Ruhamah denoted the fact that Yah would no longer have mercy upon the House of Israel, allowing them to be taken captive because of their sins (Hos. 1:6). Lo-Ammi pictured the gradual loss of religious and ethnic identity of the House of Israel. The House of Israel were allowed to forget that they were part of the chosen people of God (Hos. 1:9), and eventually came to view themselves as Gentiles. The house of Israel’s true identity will not be known until the information is unsealed shortly before the tribulation.


Where did the lost tribes of Israel go? The tribes of Israel were scattered to the north (Jer. 3:18, 23:8.) After being rejected by his Jewish brethren (John 1:11), Yeshua told the apostles to not go the way of the gentile, but to preach only unto the lost children of the House of Israel (Matthew 10:5-6, Matthew 15:24) James preached in Spain (Source). Peter preached in Great Britain (Source). Matthias preached in modern day Romania (Source). With God obviously having a preference that Christianity reach the Lost Tribes before the Gentiles (Matthew 15:24,26, Matthew 10:5-6), It is no surprise that the people whom adopted Christianity the earliest, and have the richest histories with the religion are other European peoples. God gives visual identifiers to each racial group. Hamites are known for their dark skin (Jeremiah 13:23, Exagoge 60-65 by Ezekiel the Tragedian) Israelites have their own similar identifying features as well. The reason why European and Jewish people have colorful eyes and hair is because they are both Israelite peoples.




Was the nation Israel becoming a country in 1948 really the fulfillment of Ezekiel’s prophecy?

4Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity. 5For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. 6And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year. (Ezekiel 4:4-6)

Many Christians believe Israel is a divine nation of God based on the founding of the nation Israel in 1948 which seems to correspond to Ezekiel’s prophecy. Most historians agree with the fact that Judah was enslaved by the Babylonians for 60 years rather than the necessary 70 that is used to arrive at the 1948 number (Wikipedia). Also why would you use the number 70, a number that is symbolic of completeness, when we know that Judah’s punishment was not completed because they were punished 7x more for their sins. Lets see what happens when we use the number 60 which seems to be more historically accurate…


390 days Judgment against the 10 northern tribes ‘Israel’
+ 40 days Judgment against the 2 southern tribes ‘Judah’
= 430 years Judgment against the nation of Israel


With the northern tribes of Israel having already been taken captive by the Assyrians, in 597 B.C. Judah was also taken into captivity by the Babylonians until 537 B.C. for a grand total of exactly 60 years (Wikipedia). Instead of the 70 that most use to arrive at the year 1948. We’ll get into where this commonly used 70 number comes from later…


430 years of judgment determined against nation Israel
- 60 years fulfilled during the Babylonian captivity
= 370 years remaining in judgment against the nation of Israel


“And after all this, if you do not obey Me, then I (God) will punish you seven times more for your sins.” (Leviticus 26:18)

”And after all this, if you do not obey Me, but walk contrary to Me, then I (God) also will walk contrary to you in fury; and I, even I will chastise you seven times for your sins.”
(Leviticus 26:27-28)

Surely enough, Judah did not obey God and was forced to endure the 7x multiplier of God’s wraith.


This leaves us with:
370 Remaining years of judgment
x 7 ’7X’ rule
= 2,590 Years of judgment remained against nation Israel


2,590 years
x 360 days
= 932,400 days of judgment remained against nation Israel after the Babylonian captivity


Convert the 932,400 days into our 365.25 day solar (Julian) years.


932,400 days ÷ 365.25 days = 2,552.77 years of God’s judgment remained
597 BCE
+ 60
Years
= 537.3 B.C. Spring of 537 B.C. Cyrus allows Jews to return to Jerusalem
+ 2552.77 Years Now add the 2,552 years remaining in this judgment
= 2017 A.D. End of judgment against Israel


Click here for the date calculator I used.
2017 A.D seems to be much closer to the date of the real regathering. However I would have been much happier to see 2018, as that correlates to the year that I believe the Israel will be destroyed. I believe that I am one of the witnesses spoken of in Revelation. I was called by God in the 7th month of 2011, which I believe marked the point that is 7 years from the completion of the tribulation. 7 years from 2011 would be 2018. The 2017 date obviously is off by a year. Then again those who use the 70 year captivity theory to arrive at the 1948 date were off by 2 years. (Source) Apparently the ancient Hebrews counted portions of a year as one year, with this acknowledged then the 2018 date appears to be valid. Also it does not necessarily need to be 2018. As the time that God will end his judgment upon Israel (2017) does not necessarily need to be the exact year that Mystery Babylon the Great will be destroyed (2018).


Now to address the issue of the number 70 and why many Christians use it..
Mystery Babylon the Great will be a nation that lasts 70 years

This is what the LORD says: “When seventy years are completed for Babylon, I will come to you and fulfill my good promise to bring you back to this place. 11 For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. 12 Then you will call on me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. 13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. 14 I will be found by you,” declares the LORD, “and will bring you back from captivity.[a] I will gather you from all the nations and places where I have banished you,” declares the LORD, “and will bring you back to the place from which I carried you into exile.” (Jeremiah 29:10-14)


This segment of Jeremiah conflicts with the historically accepted 60 year length of Judah’s Babylonian captivity. Could it be that this passage, instead of referring to the length of the upcoming captivity, is instead referring to the duration, the total amount of years, that ancient Babylon would be a superpower? Will it also refer to the amount of years that Mystery Babylon the Great will be a nation?


Behold, I will send and take all the families of the north, saith the LORD, and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof, and against all these nations round about, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, and an hissing, and perpetual desolations. Moreover I will take from them the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the candle. And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years. (Jeremiah 25:9-11)

It seems clear from the context in these two segments that the seventy years applies to Babylon itself, not to the period of time that the people of Judah are to spend in Babylon. In chapter 25 it says that the nations would serve Babylon for 70 years. Again in chapter 29, Jeremiah makes the connection to Babylon by saying that 70 years are “for Babylon”.


So the 70 years refers to the period of Babylonian Empire. When did this start and finish? As alluded to earlier, Babylon was conquered by Cyrus II of Persia in 539 BC. So this is the finish. When was the start? For our purposes, the start would have to be when the other “nations will serve the king of Babylon” (see excerpt from Jeremiah 25 above). The major world power prior to Babylon was Assyria.


“For a good overview of the decline of the Assyrian Empire refer to the Encyclopaedia Britannica (see article in Britannica CD 99: The History of Ancient Mesopotamia: Mesopotamia to the end of the: THE NEO-ASSYRIAN EMPIRE (746-609): Decline of the Assyrian empire). Here it describes how the Assyrian empire, after becoming weakened through civil war, fell to the combined forces of the Medes and the Babylonians, finally being extinguished in 609 BC. In this final battle, the Assyrians and the Egyptians fought side-by-side. Prior to being conquered by the Medes and Babylonians, the Egyptians fought against Judah – and Judah lost. This is the battle where Josiah was killed. The chronology of Judah places this event in 608 BC – but that is close enough to 609 BC when a 1 year margin of error is assumed.” (BibleWorldHistory)


The very name Mystery Babylon the Great implies that this adulterous nation will have many of the same qualities and characteristics of ancient Babylon. Israel became a nation in 1948. 70 years from this would be 2018. Notice, Jeremiah 29:10-14 uses terminology which has previously been used to describe the tribulation-era regathering of both kingdom’s of Israel… “I will gather you from all the nations and places where I have banished you“, meaning that this is also talking about the great regathering of both kingdoms that happens during the tribulation. This passage is stating that when Mystery Babylon the Great’s 70 years are complete then the regathering will begin. Israel was founded in 1948. 70 years from that date would be 2018! Obviously this corresponds to the 2017-2018 date that we came to earlier using the more accurate 60 year Babylonian captivity.
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Mystery Babylon the Great is an adulterous woman

Revelation 17:1-3 “…Come hither; I will show unto you the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 …I saw a WOMAN sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy… 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”

What does a woman symbolize?

The Two tribal kingdoms, Judah and Israel, as well as God’s true Church are frequently represented as women.


Isaiah 54:5-6 “For your Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and your Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. 6 For the LORD has called you as a WOMAN forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a WIFE of youth, when you were refused, saith your God.”

2 Corinthians 11:2 “For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste VIRGIN to Christ.”
Ephesians 5:31-32 “For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning CHRIST AND THE CHURCH.”

Matthew 9:14-15 “Then came to him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but your disciples fast not? 15 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.”

Revelation 19:7-8 “Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his WIFE has made HERSELF ready. 8 And to HER was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.”

When the Kingdom of Israel or the Kingdom of Judah apostatized it was compared with an adulterous woman

Just as a pure woman represents a pure Church, tribe or kingdom, a corrupt woman represents a corrupt Church, tribe or kingdom. A woman in white is used to represent purity and righteousness (Matthew 17:2.) But Revelation 17:1, 15-16 and 19:2 call this second woman a “WHORE” or “HARLOT”, a fallen Church, tribe or kingdom


“…If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man’s, shall he return unto her again? …but you have played the HARLOT with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD. 2 …you have polluted the land with your WHOREDOMS and with your wickedness. 3 …you hadst a WHORE’S FOREHEAD, you refusedst to be ashamed… 6 The LORD said also unto me… Have you seen that which backsliding Israel has done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there has played the HARLOT… 8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed ADULTERY I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the HARLOT also… 20 Surely as a WIFE treacherously departeth from her husband, so have you dealt treacherously with me, O house of Israel, saith the LORD.” (Jeremiah 3:1-25)

“You have also committed FORNICATION with the Egyptians your neighbours, great of flesh; and have increased your WHOREDOMS, to provoke me to anger… 28 You have played the WHORE also with the Assyrians, because you were unsatiable; yes, you have played the HARLOT with them, and yet couldest not be satisfied. 30 How weak is thine heart, saith the Lord God, seeing you doest all these things, the work of an imperious WHORISH WOMAN; 31 In that you buildest thine eminent place in the head of every way, and makest thine high place in every street; and have not been as an HARLOT, in that you scornest hire; 32 But as a WIFE that committeth ADULTERY, which taketh strangers instead of her husband!” (Ezekiel 16:26-32)

Mystery Babylon the Great has a name written on her forehead like a whore

In Biblical times, whores had their names written on their foreheads. This would designate their status as a whore. When Israel or Judah betrayed God and worshiped strange Gods, YHWY says that they have a whore’s forehead.


Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a WHORE’S forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed. (Jeremiah 3:3)

God warns about an adulterous church in Revelation

“I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.” (Rev. 2:9-10)

Judaism is an antichrist religion by definition

Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. All who deny the Father and the Son are antichrist; so also those who reject the Son cannot have the Father (1 John 2:23.)

The Bible refers to the Nation of Israel as “Judea” in the Bible and not “Israel” as one would assume if this were really the regathering spoken of in prophecy

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: (Matthew 24:15)


Mystery Babylon the Great is a combination religious and state power

And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. (Revelation 17:18)

Mystery Babylon the Great will be the youngest end times great nation

Your mother shall be sore confounded; she that bare you shall be ashamed: behold, the hindermost of the nations shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert. (Jeremiah 50:12)

Israel was founded in 1948, while Vatican City was founded in 1929.


Revelation flat out tells you who Mystery Babylon the Great is

“And to whom does that term refer? In Revelation, “the great city” (hey polis megaley in Greek) is used to clearly refer to Jerusalem, capitol of the Jewish people! When the two witnesses are killed, their dead bodies lie in the streets of “the great city (hey polis megaley). “… Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified” (Revelation 11:8). This unmistakably implies that powerful, corrupt Babylon and the great city “ Sodom and Egypt, where our Lord was crucified,” are the same city… Jerusalem.” (Babylon the Great is Israel by Ted Pike)

This insinuates that far from being a city of God as many Christians believe, Jerusalem will be a corrupt and decadent city which is heavily into the occult. In fact, Revelation 17:18 states plane as day that the woman, referring to Mystery Babylon the Great, is the great city, referring to Jerusalem. (Revelation 11:8)

And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. (Revelation 17:18)
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Revelation 11:8)
“The apostle Peter, bishop of Jerusalem, also calls Jerusalem “ Babylon.” He sends greetings from the church in Jerusalem saying, “She who is in Babylon…sends you greetings” (1 Peter 5:13). Peter never visited Babylon. He is clearly identifying the moral cesspool of antiquity, Babylon, with the city where Christ was killed.
Scripture also describes only one city as center of world rule in the last days, and that is Jerusalem. Paul states clearly that the anti-Christ will declare his one-world authority from the temple at Jerusalem, where he proclaims he is God. (2 Thess. 2:4) When the two witnesses resist him, they do not battle a papal anti-Christ but “the wicked profane prince of Israel” in Jerusalem. (Ezek. 21:25) These scriptures point to Jerusalem as the epicenter of one-world rebellion against God; Jerusalem and Babylon are one!”
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Mystery Babylon the Great is a city that sits on 7 hills

This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits (Revelation 17:9)

“…the City of Jerusalem as it existed in the time of Christ Jesus was also reckoned to be the “City of Seven Hills.” This fact was well recognized in Jewish circles. In the Pirke de-Rabbi Eliezer, an 8th century midrashic narrative (section 10), the writer mentioned without commentary (showing that the understanding was well known and required no defense) that “Jerusalem is situated on seven hills” (recorded in The Book of Legends, edited by Bialik and Ravnitzky, p. 371, paragraph 111). And, so it was. Those “seven hills” are easy to identify. ” (The Seven Hills of Jerusalem)


Mystery Babylon the Great is a nation that is surrounded by thick walls

Thus saith the LORD of hosts; The broad walls of Babylon shall be utterly broken, and her high gates shall be burned with fire; and the people shall labour in vain, and the folk in the fire, and they shall be weary. (Jeremiah 51:58)


The Israeli West Bank barrier is a separation barrier being constructed by the State of Israel along and within the West Bank. Upon completion, the barrier’s total length will be approximately 760 kilometres (470 mi) (twice the length of the 1949 Armistice Line (Green Line) between the West Bank and Israel). The barrier is a fence with vehicle-barrier trenches surrounded by an on average 60 metres (200 ft) wide exclusion area (90% of its length), and an 8 metres (26 ft) tall concrete wall (10% of its length) The barrier is built mainly in the West Bank and partly along the 1949 Armistice line, or “Green Line” between Israel and Palestinian West Bank. 12% of the West Bank area is on the Israel side of the barrier. (Wikipedia)
Vatican City also is surrounded by walls.


Mystery Babylon the Great is a major importing / exporting nation on the sea
For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, (Revelation 18:17)
And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, in which were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her wealth! for in one hour is she made desolate. (Revelation 18:19)


“As Israel celebrates 63 years of being an independent state, it turns out that it is an export superpower.


According to figures published on Tuesday by the Israel Export Institute and presented by the Globes financial news paper, since its establishment in 1948 Israel has multiplied the volume of goods it exports to the world by an astonishing 13,400.


The figures also show that Israel has gone from exporting a “modest” amount of about $6 million in 1948 to exporting no less than $80.5 billion in 2010.”
(Israel an Export Superpower)


Vatican City is not located on the Sea and far from being an economic superpower, its economy is based on medals, stamps, and tourist mementos. With a population of less than 1000 its no surprise that Vatican City is not a major exporting nation.


Mystery Babylon the Great is an Incredibly Unpopular Nation

The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. (Revelation 17:16).

“A poll conducted by the BBC revealed Tuesday that Israel is one of the most negatively viewed countries in the world, ranking at the bottom of the chart along with Iran, North Korea and Pakistan.” (Source)


Not surprisingly, the only people who really hate the Vatican are Christian Zionists who have been deceived by Satan into believing his fake counterfeit is the real Mystery Babylon the Great.


Mystery Babylon the Great is a rich Church

O thou that dwellest upon many waters, abundant in treasures, thine end is come, and the measure of thy covetousness. (Jeremiah 51:13)


Mayer Amschel Rothschild was able to dominate the banking scene in Europe by sending his 5 sons to become banking oligarchs in each respective city that they settled in.
Amschel Mayer Rothschild (1773–1855): Frankfurt
Salomon Mayer Rothschild (1774–1855): Vienna
Nathan Mayer Rothschild (1777–1836): London
Calmann Mayer Rothschild (1788–1855): Naples
Jakob Mayer Rothschild (1792–1868): Paris
(Wikipedia)


“Jews make up only 2% of the total U.S. population, yet 45% of the top 40 of the Forbes 400 richest Americans are Jewish
(Steven Silbiger, Author Of The Jewish Phenomenon
)


“Five of Britain’s ten richest people are Jewish, according to this year’s Sunday Times Rich List.” (The Jewish Chronicle, April 30, 2009)


“Of the seven oligarchs who controlled 50% of Russia’s economy during the 1990s, six were Jewish: Berezovsky, Vladimir Guzinsky, Alexander Smolensky, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Mikhail Friedman and Valery Malkin.” (Guardian)


The Vatican does have a powerful bank but guess who controls it…
“…It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Rothschilds that at the present time the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure.”
(The Jewish Encyclopedia 1901-1906, Vol. 2, p.497, The Union Générale.)


Mystery Babylon the Great will deal in the precious stones business
And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls (Revelation 18:11-12)


“Diamonds are Israel’s number one export commodity, accounting for between one quarter and one third of Israeli exports. In 2008, diamond exports were valued at $19.4 billion with a net value of approximately $10 billion — far exceeding even the gross value of electronic or pharmaceutical exports.”
(ElectronicIntifada)


“Israel has long been a leader in diamond exports, according to the report. Since the founding of the state, Israel’s diamond exports have multiplied by 3,190. While in the early years of statehood the scope of diamond exports from Israel to the world stood at about $2.8 million, in 2010 exports amounted to approximately $8.9 billion.


The diamond market was never truly decentralized in the way a typical commodity market is (and in fact, the significant variations in diamond grade and quality mean that they are not, technically, a commodity.) Rather, the prominence of Jewish merchants in the sale and transportation of diamonds placed the market under control of an informal network of Jewish families that sprung up during the 1800′s. The numerous jewelers and diamond trading firms were typically linked by family relation, forming a bond so tight that for centuries, diamonds were almost entirely a Jewish business. Presently, the city of Antwerp, Belgium is known as the ‘World’s Diamond Capital’, and the diamond trade is largely dominated by the city’s large Hasidic Jewish population — as it has been since around World War II.” (The History of the Diamond Trade)


“The syndicate in London to which Rhodes contracted to sell De Beers’ entire production of diamonds in 1893 was made up of ten firms. These were Wernher, Beit & Company, Barnato Brothers, Mosenthal Sons & Company, A. Dunkelsbuhler, Joseph Brothers, I. Cohen & Company, Martin Lilienfeld & Company, F. F. Gervers, S. Neumann, and Feldheimer & Company. All these firms were interconnected by marriage and family ties, and all were owned by Jewish merchants. The fact that Jewish companies completely dominated the distribution of diamonds at the end of the nineteenth century was not particularly surprising. For a thousand years, diamonds had been almost entirely a Jewish business.” (The Diamond Invention)


Vatican City doesn’t have any major dealings in the precious stones business. (Wikipedia)

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Mystery Babylon the Great will be a nation that will traffic in human slavery

She also bought cinnamon, spice, incense, myrrh, frankincense, wine, olive oil, fine flour, wheat, cattle, sheep, horses, chariots, and bodies–that is, human slaves. (Revelation 18:13)



“Women trafficked from Eastern Europe, were stripped and sold naked as slaves to Tel Aviv traders for US$500-1,000. Smuggling, fraudulent documents, collaboration between police and brothel owners are involved. There are routine brutal beatings and sexual abuse.” (New York Times 11 January 1998)



“White slave trade now earns US$1 billion annually in Israel.There are an estimated 20,000 female sex slaves forced into prostitution in Tel-Aviv each year. According to a report released in 2005 by the Knesset Subcommittee on Trafficking in Women, between 10,000 and 15,000 women had been smuggled into Israel over the previous four years to work as prostitutes. According to the report, the women, who were mostly from the former Soviet Union, were sold at public auction for as much as $10,000 and forced to work up to 18 hours a day. On average, the women received only three percent of the money they earned from prostitution, and many were raped and beaten. Most of the women had been smuggled over the Egyptian border and lured from Russia and Eastern Europe on false promises of secretarial jobs.”
(Worldwide Lack of Concern Over Israel’s White Slave Trade)


“Police in Israel say they are powerless to stop the flow of trafficked women until the laws change. “They (trafficked women) are very much afraid to come to the police and complain, so the police really can’t do anything,” said spokeswoman Linda Menuhin. “The problem is there is no law against trafficking people, and no law against prostitution.” Rachel Benziman, legal adviser to the Israel Women’s Network, said there are a variety of crimes — rape, abduction, battery, deceit and theft — which the authorities rarely bother to prosecute for, even though they have the power to do so. “It’s not a problem of finding the right section in the criminal code. It is more a problem of finding the women who will testify and finding the motivation. When it comes to drug dealing, the police don’t wait for someone to come into their office and say they have found drugs. They look for it. We expect them to do the same thing for the trafficking of women — but they don’t,” she said.” (Elisabeth Eaves, “Israel not the promised land for Russian sex slaves,” Reuters, 23 August 1998)


“Men pay for 25,000 acts of prostitution every day. There are 250,000 foreign male workers who help create a demand for prostituted women. Women are held in apartments, bars and brothels where they are bought by up to 15 men a day. They sleep in shifts, four to a bed.” (Police officials, Michael Specter, “Traffickers’ New Cargo: Naive Slavic Women,” New York Times, 11 January 1998)


“Ringleaders forced hundreds of Russian, Ukrainian, Moldovan, Belorussian, and Uzbek women into prostitution” (Court convicts 4 Israelis of heading international human trafficking ring.) link


It should now be apparent why Jerusalem was compared to Sodom and Egypt in Revelation. Judge them by their fruits…


Mystery Babylon the Great will be a nation that manufactures and exports tanks

She also bought cinnamon, spice, incense, myrrh, frankincense, wine, olive oil, fine flour, wheat, cattle, sheep, horses, chariots, and bodies–that is, human slaves. (Revelation 18:13)




The modern day equivalent of a chariot of war would be a tank.


“The Merkava is a main battle tank used by the Israel Defense Forces. The tank began development in 1973 and entered active service in 1978. Four main versions of the tank have been deployed. It was first used extensively in the 1982 Lebanon War. The “Merkava” name was derived from the IDF’s initial development program name.” (Wikipedia)


“At an arms trade fair in Paris this week, Israel showed the world’s military shoppers fruits of its high-tech arms industry, including its Merkava tank, unmanned spy planes and the planet’s most sophisticated missile defense system.


With its tourist industry all but shuttered by a 21-month Palestinian uprising and high-tech in a slump, the Jewish state depends deeply on the foreign currency earnings of its weapons industry, now the world’s 10th largest.” (Associated Press)
The Vatican does not manufacture tanks.


Mystery Babylon the Great will be an agricultural nation

And cinnamon, and odors, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves and souls of men. (Revelation 18:13)



Agriculture in Israel is a highly developed industry: Israel is a major exporter of fresh produce and a world-leader in agricultural technologies despite the fact that the geography of Israel is not naturally conducive to agriculture. More than half of the land area is desert, and the climate and lack of water resources do not favor of farming. Only 20% of the land area is naturally arable.[1] Today agriculture represents 2.5% of total GDP and 3.6% of exports.


Due to the diversity of the land and climate across the country, Israel is able to grow a wide range of crops. Field crops grown in the country include wheat, sorghum and corn. On 215,000 hectares of land, these sorts of crops are grown, 156,000 hectares of which are winter crops. (Agriculture in Israel)


Vatican City is just over 100 acres and none of that is used for agriculture.
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Catholic Church is the "Babylon the Great" of Revelation 17.

There is nothing at all in Revelation about some future great problem with old Israel. Not one word.

Rev 12 and 17 and 18 point unmistakably to Rome - Papal Rome.

And so when Peter speaks of Rome as Babylon it comes as no surprise.

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Mystery Babylon the Great will be a nation that will traffic in human slavery

She also bought cinnamon, spice, incense, myrrh, frankincense, wine, olive oil, fine flour, wheat, cattle, sheep, horses, chariots, and bodies–that is, human slaves. (Revelation 18:13)



“Women trafficked from Eastern Europe, were stripped and sold naked as slaves to Tel Aviv traders for US$500-1,000. Smuggling, fraudulent documents, collaboration between police and brothel owners are involved. There are routine brutal beatings and sexual abuse.” (New York Times 11 January 1998)



“White slave trade now earns US$1 billion annually in Israel.There are an estimated 20,000 female sex slaves forced into prostitution in Tel-Aviv each year. According to a report released in 2005 by the Knesset Subcommittee on Trafficking in Women, between 10,000 and 15,000 women had been smuggled into Israel over the previous four years to work as prostitutes. According to the report, the women, who were mostly from the former Soviet Union, were sold at public auction for as much as $10,000 and forced to work up to 18 hours a day. On average, the women received only three percent of the money they earned from prostitution, and many were raped and beaten. Most of the women had been smuggled over the Egyptian border and lured from Russia and Eastern Europe on false promises of secretarial jobs.”
(Worldwide Lack of Concern Over Israel’s White Slave Trade)


“Police in Israel say they are powerless to stop the flow of trafficked women until the laws change. “They (trafficked women) are very much afraid to come to the police and complain, so the police really can’t do anything,” said spokeswoman Linda Menuhin. “The problem is there is no law against trafficking people, and no law against prostitution.” Rachel Benziman, legal adviser to the Israel Women’s Network, said there are a variety of crimes — rape, abduction, battery, deceit and theft — which the authorities rarely bother to prosecute for, even though they have the power to do so. “It’s not a problem of finding the right section in the criminal code. It is more a problem of finding the women who will testify and finding the motivation. When it comes to drug dealing, the police don’t wait for someone to come into their office and say they have found drugs. They look for it. We expect them to do the same thing for the trafficking of women — but they don’t,” she said.” (Elisabeth Eaves, “Israel not the promised land for Russian sex slaves,” Reuters, 23 August 1998)


“Men pay for 25,000 acts of prostitution every day. There are 250,000 foreign male workers who help create a demand for prostituted women. Women are held in apartments, bars and brothels where they are bought by up to 15 men a day. They sleep in shifts, four to a bed.” (Police officials, Michael Specter, “Traffickers’ New Cargo: Naive Slavic Women,” New York Times, 11 January 1998)


“Ringleaders forced hundreds of Russian, Ukrainian, Moldovan, Belorussian, and Uzbek women into prostitution” (Court convicts 4 Israelis of heading international human trafficking ring.) link


It should now be apparent why Jerusalem was compared to Sodom and Egypt in Revelation. Judge them by their fruits…


Mystery Babylon the Great will be a nation that manufactures and exports tanks

She also bought cinnamon, spice, incense, myrrh, frankincense, wine, olive oil, fine flour, wheat, cattle, sheep, horses, chariots, and bodies–that is, human slaves. (Revelation 18:13)




The modern day equivalent of a chariot of war would be a tank.


“The Merkava is a main battle tank used by the Israel Defense Forces. The tank began development in 1973 and entered active service in 1978. Four main versions of the tank have been deployed. It was first used extensively in the 1982 Lebanon War. The “Merkava” name was derived from the IDF’s initial development program name.” (Wikipedia)


“At an arms trade fair in Paris this week, Israel showed the world’s military shoppers fruits of its high-tech arms industry, including its Merkava tank, unmanned spy planes and the planet’s most sophisticated missile defense system.


With its tourist industry all but shuttered by a 21-month Palestinian uprising and high-tech in a slump, the Jewish state depends deeply on the foreign currency earnings of its weapons industry, now the world’s 10th largest.” (Associated Press)
The Vatican does not manufacture tanks.


Mystery Babylon the Great will be an agricultural nation

And cinnamon, and odors, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves and souls of men. (Revelation 18:13)



Agriculture in Israel is a highly developed industry: Israel is a major exporter of fresh produce and a world-leader in agricultural technologies despite the fact that the geography of Israel is not naturally conducive to agriculture. More than half of the land area is desert, and the climate and lack of water resources do not favor of farming. Only 20% of the land area is naturally arable.[1] Today agriculture represents 2.5% of total GDP and 3.6% of exports.


Due to the diversity of the land and climate across the country, Israel is able to grow a wide range of crops. Field crops grown in the country include wheat, sorghum and corn. On 215,000 hectares of land, these sorts of crops are grown, 156,000 hectares of which are winter crops. (Agriculture in Israel)


Vatican City is just over 100 acres and none of that is used for agriculture.
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Catholic Church is the "Babylon the Great" of Revelation 17.

There is nothing at all in Revelation about some future great problem with old Israel. Not one word.

Rev 12 and 17 and 18 point unmistakably to Rome - Papal Rome.

And so when Peter speaks of Rome as Babylon it comes as no surprise.

in Christ,

Bob
Satan wants to deceive the world about the identity of the entities described in the book of revelation. His plan is to make it look like revelation happens before it actually happens. So he has created a series of counterfeits. Counterfeit Mark of the Beast, counterfeit antichrist, counterfeit regathering of Israel, counterfeit Mystery Babylon the Great. He has created a counterfeit Antichrist, so when the real antichrist (and Satan come posing as Satan), the people will think, "The antichrist was already defeated, this must be the real Jesus." He will disarm Bible savvy Christians who are watchful of a New World Order and Antichrist etc by creating fakes, and then sacrificing them when he arrives on the scene posing as Jesus.

The Vatican is his counterfeit Mystery Babylon the Great.

Mystery Babylon the Great will be clothed in purple and scarlet

The book of Revelation states that Mystery Babylon the Great will be clothed in purple and scarlet. Revelation is written symbolically. The beast of Revelation 13 is not really a flesh and blood beast. Neither is the Whore of Babylon a literal flesh and blood whore. This clothing and the corresponding colors are symbol as well.

“And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour…” (Revelation 17:4)



Most of Revelation is written symbolically, Satan knows that many Christians are not aware of this and will take the above prophecy literally. Satan has dressed his counterfeit harlot in the very colors described in Revelation 17:4.


Scarlet is used to represent sin (Isaiah 1:18). Purple is used to represent a mockery or corruption of royalty (Judges 8:26, Luke 16:19). Clothes represent the inward moral state or level of righteousness of the wearer. (Matthew 17:2, Isaiah 61:10, Zechariah 3:3-5, Isaiah 64:6, Revelation 3:4-5, Revelation 7:14)


Although she presents an image of Godliness on the surface. Mystery Babylon the Great’s inward state is sinful and decadent.


This is implying that Mystery Babylon the Great’s inward state would be of sin and corruption. Obviously physically clothing the members of its clergy with the very colors described in revelation is such a blatant manipulation should make one realize the extent of Satan’s effort to persuade the world that the Vatican is Mystery Babylon the Great.




Vatican clergy clothing is not the only contrived evidence he has left for the masses.


Satan is ruler of this world (John 16:11, John 12:31, Luke 4:6), therefore the media must come under his dominion. Satan obviously would do everything in his power to keep the identity of his Harlot a secret to deceive as many Christians as possible. Why would CNN release such implicating footage of the pope being seated before upside down crosses. New pictures continuously are released that show similar. Has Satan lost his touch? Why would such a supernaturally intelligent entity continue to make such blunders?


As we mentioned earlier Mystery Babylon the Great’s inward state is sinful and decadent.


Al Goldstein, the publisher of Screw magazine, said (on lukeford.com), ‘The only reason that Jews are in pornography is that we think that Christ sucks. Catholicism sucks. We don’t believe in authoritarianism.”

If you were Satan why wouldn't you tell your false prophet to get plastic surgery? Why not tell him to try not to look so evil and to smile occasionally because people are starting to find us out?



“Jewish merchants played a major role in the slave trade. In fact, in all the American colonies, whether French (Martinique), British, or Dutch, Jewish merchants frequently dominated. This was no less true on the North American mainland, where during the eighteenth century Jews participated in the ‘triangular trade’ that brought slaves from Africa to the West Indies and there exchanged them for molasses, which in turn was taken to New England and converted into rum for sale in Africa. Isaac Da Costa of Charleston in the 1750s, David Franks of Philadelphia in the 1760s, and Aaron Lopez of Newport in the late 1760s and early 1770s dominated Jewish slave trading on the American continent.”— Marc Raphael (Jew), “Jews and Judaism in the United States: A Documentary History”


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Babylon the great whore is Moscow which sits on 7 hills and many waters (5 seas).
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Old 26th May 2012, 10:54 PM
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i think johnthewitness pinpointed well, the unique prophesies pertaining to Mystery Babylon

imo the RCC does not fulfill them all....and i came out of the RCC
but as he pointed out, current day political Israel (judah) seems to rather well.
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