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26th May 2012, 09:50 AM
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Reps: 602,320,572,593,239,424 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by JaneFW So people shouldn't debate because they will be embarrassed if they meet the person they have been debating with face to face? Uh uh. I stand by every single thing I have ever said, and I would stand by it to anyone's face too. There is no awkwardness or embarrassment in me.
I also have differences of opinion with people IRL. That's how life is.
Not only that we dont LIKE everyone we meet IRL either..at least I dont.
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26th May 2012, 10:32 AM
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Reps: 480,299,152,780,993,280 (power: 480,299,152,780,996) | | | There was a preacher who once said in a sermon-
"If you don't like me it doesn't matter to me. I didn't come here to see you anyway-I came to see Jesus. But if we all see Jesus we will all get together in the end"!
Seems to apply whether online or IRL. | 
26th May 2012, 10:44 AM
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Reps: 602,320,572,593,239,424 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by apostolic34 There was a preacher who once said in a sermon-
"If you don't like me it doesn't matter to me. I didn't come here to see you anyway-I came to see Jesus. But if we all see Jesus we will all get together in the end"!
Seems to apply whether online or IRL.
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26th May 2012, 02:29 PM
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their two edged sword tongue has caused ALOT of strife not just in my marriage but other relatives as well.
no guilt from them, and there way of apologizing is wait a couple of weeks and things will blow over.
the problem with their behavior is that our mind is like a tape recorder, the mind tends to replay over and over again the pain the person(s) inflicted on another.
another issue in my life is, i was sexually and physically abused as a child, and nothing was done to protect me. BUT as an adult i am now voicing my freedom, and i am no longer a victim to those who have abused me.
voicing my freedom has caused my immediate family to turn there backs on me, this would have been a problem in the past, heck to be honest, i would never have the strength or courage to defend myself, i would have just go on with the rest of my life silent, paralyzed, and a lot of emotional and mental baggage that comes with being abused.
so there is a time and place for words, but words that will make a point, or in my case words of healing, and moving forward.
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26th May 2012, 04:58 PM
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Reps: 470,765,089,285,621,760 (power: 470,765,089,285,639) | | Originally Posted by apostolic34 There was a preacher who once said in a sermon-
"If you don't like me it doesn't matter to me. I didn't come here to see you anyway-I came to see Jesus. But if we all see Jesus we will all get together in the end"!
Seems to apply whether online or IRL.
I agree that it all comes down to this. Basically being ambassadors for Christ, and seeing through His "lens". The thing is......aren't there attitudes and behaviors that He hates? We just ought to be aware of how we actually stand on the side of "good"....and not let it creep into doing more harm than good. That's the balancing act....IMO.
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30th May 2012, 12:42 PM
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Reps: 924,920,785,307,358,080 (power: 924,920,785,307,388) | | Originally Posted by I Art Laughing At no point in this post do I hope to imply that either might makes right or that war = peace, however I have some thoughts that if not considered carefully might be construed in that fashion.
Growing up I learned something, not every argument is worth making, I learned to "choose my fights". How did that happen? As an example, if I didn't like the way a neighbor kid looked at me I might start a grudge with him, being 7 year olds we might start an argument over something trivial such as which of our mutual friends would play where. What did the grudge cost us? The loss of friendship, hard feelings, a bloody lip? Yes, the argument had a value in what was lost or in what was actually destroyed.
I learned that while some points were worth making to my parents that not all of them were. If I stuck to my "guns" on some issues it would just get me in trouble, a well thought out point might instead get a concession. So, I learned to balance the risk and reward of "arguing" with my parents. Always fighting about everything, whether on the playground or from the backseat of the car was virtually a sure fired way of losing. Of missing out on the good times, of assigning myself to misery.
I learned on the playground that angry impasse was a thing to be avoided, that getting punched or giving punches (something I was relatively good at) usually meant either an ice pack or a trip to the principles office, so i got a life lesson in the economics of argument. I was considering today how the internet (in most forums) takes much of the economics out of argument. We arrive here and no point is too small to debate, no point can be conceded, and angry impasse can be extended into perpetuity with no resolution. I would say that the internet teaches us that there are no underlying economics in argument, that there is no need to to deter belligerence since the social cost seems so small.
Woe to us who takes that "lesson" into "real life". Belligerence IRL ALWAYS HAS A COST. It costs us relationships, marriages, money, job opportunities, even violence, and on and on. I would humbly suggest that we carefully consider what it costs us, to realize that it does cost, that it robs us of our joy. I want to remember to count the cost, not every fight is worth having, not every grudge is worth bearing and some points are imminently conceedable. While I like to debate, more than anything (believe it or not) my friends know that I'm all about fellowship. I do care about people and I'm always praying for God to help me see those people that I disagree with the most through His eyes. I've often learned that those people are the ones I can learn the most from, if not in agreement, then in civil disagreement.
Thanks for posting this.
I re-learn this lesson every couple months or so. I'm more shy and reserved in person (much less so than I used to be however), so this medium gives me the freedom I don't feel I have IRL to express myself.
That said, I've learned to indeed pick my arguments. I let one post on Facebook go this morning without comment where I would have normally posted and argued. At the same time, I'm expressing myself more directly when I do post and just not arguing as much after the fact, if that makes any sense.
Work in progress!
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31st May 2012, 04:02 AM
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Reps: 37,004,280,636,603,240 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by lovingherdaily You are always going to lose a lot by arguing so there are not any economics to it. And the stuff you lose can't be gotten back real easy or quick either. It is not worth anything
In my opinion that is not true. If something is true and is very important isn't that worth arguing for? Jesus argued with the Pharisees, Paul argued with Judaizers, Elijah argued with the prophets of Baal, Moses argued with Pharaoh. God is going to have an "argument" with sinners. Not arguing can have a price too. | 
31st May 2012, 09:47 AM
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Reps: 924,920,785,307,358,080 (power: 924,920,785,307,388) | | Originally Posted by I Art Laughing In my opinion that is not true. If something is true and is very important isn't that worth arguing for? Jesus argued with the Pharisees, Paul argued with Judaizers, Elijah argued with the prophets of Baal, Moses argued with Pharaoh. God is going to have an "argument" with sinners. Not arguing can have a price too.
Realizing this is what helped me decide to be more free with my comments.
Now if only I had time to comment more!
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