Fake Christians in the United States.

Mock · #1 25th May 2012, 03:04 AM

Honestly after looking at the culture and generation as is today and coming from living in Africa with my parents as they were missionaries it's come to my attention as a young adult and knowing knowledge of this generation and past generations. I literally believe 65% of Christians are fake. If not higher. I know this is highly criticizing and judging, so please let me explain. If you walk up to most people on the street and ask them if they believe in God majority answer is "Yes", but really they do not even know a thing about God they just assume I live in the United States and was born and raised on Christians values and believe in God but yet they continue to live wicked lives. How can you even reach people like these? now this is not even close to where I am going on all the whole "Fake Christian" thing in USA.

Now after leaving Africa and living in the United States for many years now. I find the Christianity alot different. As far as youth I don't even see any of them being truly Christians. Of coarse no one is perfect but it's more of a social thing/I was grown up in it so I do it. I literally knew this young teen I worked with who was a worship leader at his youth group yet at work he was talking about the party he just attended and got drunk at and enthusiastically bragged about it at work. Now as many adults and witness to my own family not my family but uncle, aunts and cousins. They attend church every sunday but after that they continue you with their lives not even mentioning God or acknowledging him. Continuing in their wicked lives. Even the rest of the church, even they "Good ones" they literally think they know God go every sunday they live in nice houses pray over their dinners share some scriptures then one day I seen them get drunk nice family of my friends. *I know everyone makes mistakes and sins and can be forgiven but this is something different* It was like I realized they never even knew God in the first place. Kind of like that scripture where the men cast daemons out in God's name but yet he said to them "I never knew you".

Half the church thinks the know God some you even think oh of coarse but yet their just these goof balls who post this corny crap on facebook about God. Don't even get me started on this TBN garbage*Not saying everything on their is not legitimacy*. It's this fake Christianity where God is not even their. In Africa even as a young boy I could see God literally act and touch peoples lives these Africans not effected by the media and american dream and get touched by God. Ive seen Mircales and unexplainable events of strange power of God literally feeling him enter the room and flood us. Collapsing everyone. Not that fake crap where you just praticpate but literally falling before his glory whether you wanted to or not. I'm just a kid and I am experiencing this?. It's about having this relationship with God, how many people go to church come home continue you with your normal lives. Is it not the whole purpose of christianity to speak the gospel across to every person and live for god radically. Yet everyone attends church and seems instrested but yet selfishly continue to try and create their perfect family and life little house on the parie "Oh but were christian and live christian standers and pray" but yet none of them can even recall an experience with god.

I can't even stand to go to church is so... Weak.... I go to church Most are massive as hell these days with million doller water fountains in the front but whatever. here this message*Which of coarse can touch you* sing these songs everyone just acting normal then talk to your little friends afterwards maybe talk about the message. Hows your wife blah blah, see you next sunday bye oh man im hungry games prolly on. Am I saying this is bad nooo but honestly it's just something we do and think we should do most people will never truley know God but think they know God. People can live good lives and never enter heaven. I ask some of my friends who do not attend church, which a big amount now days and are swaying away from it. They think the whole church thing is bullcrap and don't even think God is real, hmm wonder why? because he does not show up in our churchs. Our nation is so wicked just watch tv, Jersey shore media brainwash on youth. Celebrity worship and etc Teens getting pregnant, premarriagle sex is a craze, rape everything. Mass bullying. Such a sinful nation. Reminds me of the times before the flood. I literally think the end of the world is around the corner. Just watch the news. I understand this generation and I wish you could see this in my eyes of how wicked and decieved this nation is. Because although I am judging I was also brainwashed for many years.

I came back to United States, as a young kid I literally was in touch with God. I soon became to lose my faith and was sinning without even thinking or remorse. I still went to church and hanged out with my church buds but then I was drinking at parties and this whole media and music industry brainwashed me without me knowing. I was even in complete denial. I loved this American life, This is not how life was attended to be lived were living in a fantasy land. Just go to any other country. I soon truly came back to the lord about 2 years ago after I realized what I was doing. God I think is coming soon, Look at our wicked government. I cannot even vote for either president on both sides their all wicked and money craved. This is all joke, I am sorry if I sound harsh but people need to wake up.

God has been missing from this nation for along time. We need to stop treating him like an idol and more like a father. I feel like I have a personal relationship with jesus. I know some of you may to but I know alot think they do but it's nothing but jibberish. Why are we not litsening to what God wants? preaching his gospel praying to him and letting him take complete control. Look at all the bible figures they had no live like ours, to be exact they had horrible lives but were so in love with jesus. I know these were mostly apostles but why cant we be like this? why do we think it's ok and do our same routine. Read the bible, go to church, go to work, make a family, get old, retire, live in a nice retirement home. Is this life? or just all a lie. Sorry to rag on for so long just trying to make a point. I hope I do not get banned for being so "radical".

I tried to spread it out because it's so long. I am so sorry and also apologize for spelling errors and sentences and words that may be their and not make sense.

thesunisout · #2 25th May 2012, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by Mock

Honestly after looking at the culture and generation as is today and coming from living in Africa with my parents as they were missionaries it's come to my attention as a young adult and knowing knowledge of this generation and past generations. I literally believe 65% of Christians are fake. If not higher. I know this is highly criticizing and judging, so please let me explain. If you walk up to most people on the street and ask them if they believe in God majority answer is "Yes", but really they do not even know a thing about God they just assume I live in the United States and was born and raised on Christians values and believe in God but yet they continue to live wicked lives. How can you even reach people like these? now this is not even close to where I am going on all the whole "Fake Christian" thing in USA.....

Hey Mock,

I don't think you're out of line, I think you are dead on. The western church is apostate to the nth degree. The pews are lined with carnal Christians who play church and can't even get through one service without playing on their cellphones. They put on their pious Christian costume for one day and then live like hell the rest of the week. In this dead church, all that is required of you is that you say the sinners prayer and pay your tithes. I think 65 percent may be low-balling it, personally. It's shocking to contemplate, but Jesus said many would be called, but few chosen. Paul warned us about these times in 2 Timothy 3

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

Over 150k Christians are martyred every year, but we're all too busy quibbling about doctrine and getting outraged about the culture wars to notice or care. Jesus said we're the light of the world, and if this nation has fallen into darkness, who else is to blame? The Lord said they would know we are His disciples by our love for one another, and what a joke that is today. With over 30k denominations, we can't agree on even the most basic things, even though we all have Christ in common. Because of that, to this nation, people see Christians as a bunch of self-righteous hypocrites.

When I think about the western church in contrast the holiness of the Lord Jesus Christ, the first word that comes to mind is "abomination". No, we're not perfect, and are never expected to be, but this churchianity we practice does not bring any glory to His name.

Or as it says in Isaiah:

Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

We are crying out for revival, but why should the Holy Spirit come? So we can disgrace God even further? This is a nation that needs to get on its knees and repent in sackcloth and ashes. That is where we are at. The moral foundations have eroded to the point that good and evil have reversed themselves, and God is certainly not pleased. I think He is very close to bringing a terrible judgment against us, and that those who love Him need to be ready for what is coming.

Mock · #3 25th May 2012, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by thesunisout

Hey Mock,

I don't think you're out of line, I think you are dead on. The western church is apostate to the nth degree. The pews are lined with carnal Christians who play church and can't even get through one service without playing on their cellphones. They put on their pious Christian costume for one day and then live like hell the rest of the week. In this dead church, all that is required of you is that you say the sinners prayer and pay your tithes. I think 65 percent may be low-balling it, personally. It's shocking to contemplate, but Jesus said many would be called, but few chosen. Paul warned us about these times in 2 Timothy 3

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

Over 150k Christians are martyred every year, but we're all too busy quibbling about doctrine and getting outraged about the culture wars to notice or care. Jesus said we're the light of the world, and if this nation has fallen into darkness, who else is to blame? The Lord said they would know we are His disciples by our love for one another, and what a joke that is today. With over 30k denominations, we can't agree on even the most basic things, even though we all have Christ in common. Because of that, to this nation, Christianity amounts to little more than a bunch of self-righteous ignorant hypocrites.

When I think about the western church in contrast the holiness of the Lord Jesus Christ, the first word that comes to mind is "abomination". No, we're not perfect, and are never expected to be, but this churchianity we practice does not bring any glory to His name.

Or as it says in Isaiah:

Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

We are crying out for revival, but why should the Holy Spirit come? So we can disgrace God even further? This is a nation that needs to get on its knees and repent in sackcloth and ashes. That is where we are at. The moral foundations have eroded to the point that good and evil have reversed themselves, and God is certainly not pleased. I think He is very close to bringing a terrible judgment against us, and that those who love Him need to be ready for what is coming.

Thanks for the feedback!.

You nailed this perfectly Thesun, I couldn't agree more with everything you just said. This nation is wicked and doomed. Even revivals are so bombed out their and all these false goofy Prophets. I have people sending my father emails of "Oh a revival in Florida" "and here and etc" People are so deceived it's unreal. Someone asked me why is it that we do not see Satan and paranormal and demonic possession here as much as in other countries. My answer is why would the devil need to do these things when he has mass deception right in his hands. Not that possession does not happen in the United States. We have this Half Christian/Half American mentanility. "I wanna be a christian but today I kind of just wanna do my thing" It's so wrong and twisted and people literally think they are doing right. Your right 65% is def low balling it.

Exactly some Christians in other countries are being killed just for being a christian like you said. My father smuggled bibles to Vietnam I am not totally sure to if this is correct but I believe so. They had never seen a bible before all they had was a couple ripped scriptures but their faith in God, love and total abundunce to God was more then he has every seen in the United States. They were meeting underground risking their lives knowing they could be caught and killed to worship God, yet we take all this for granted and just shrug it off "But man the singing was just awesome today in church and pastor joe just said a nice message" then they go back home do their normal thing.

I feel like churchs/denominations are having wars with each other as you were saying we cannot even agree on a basic stuff. We have to argue and fight and come up with all these goofy things. They are like buisneses set across streets from eachother. It makes me sick, it really does.

This nation is damned I really think we are the upbrining of the anti-christ or we are leading to our own destruction or betrayal on Isreal.

thesunisout · #4 25th May 2012, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by Mock

Thanks for the feedback!.

You nailed this perfectly Thesun, I couldn't agree more with everything you just said. This nation is wicked and doomed. Even revivals are so bombed out their and all these false goofy Prophets. I have people sending my father emails of "Oh a revival in Florida" "and here and etc" People are so deceived it's unreal. Someone asked me why is it that we do not see Satan and paranormal and demonic possession here as much as in other countries. My answer is why would the devil need to do these things when he has mass deception right in his hands. Not that possession does not happen in the United States. We have this Half Christian/Half American mentanility. "I wanna be a christian but today I kind of just wanna do my thing" It's so wrong and twisted and people literally think they are doing right. Your right 65% is def low balling it.

Exactly some Christians in other countries are being killed just for being a christian like you said. My father smuggled bibles to Vietnam I am not totally sure to if this is correct but I believe so. They had never seen a bible before all they had was a couple ripped scriptures but their faith in God, love and total abundunce to God was more then he has every seen in the United States. They were meeting underground risking their lives knowing they could be caught and killed to worship God, yet we take all this for granted and just shrug it off "But man the singing was just awesome today in church and pastor joe just said a nice message" then they go back home do their normal thing.

I feel like churchs/denominations are having wars with each other as you were saying we cannot even agree on a basic stuff. We have to argue and fight and come up with all these goofy things. They are like buisneses set across streets from eachother. It makes me sick, it really does.

This nation is damned I really think we are the upbrining of the anti-christ or we are leading to our own destruction or betrayal on Isreal.

I would like to stay positive about the future of this country, but every day I see it getting worse. The main point is though, that bible prophecy is being fulfilled, and we already know the outcome. At some point, the whole world is going to follow after the antichrist. Jesus said we would be hated by all nations on account of His name.

Also, I have seen God do some amazing things. He hasn't turned His back on us, but neither is He going to reward half-hearted worship and this massive disobedience. I think we must be reaching some kind of tipping point where He simply isn't going to put up with it any longer. I pray for our leaders and for this country, but I don't see how we can continue to shake our fists at God and expect no response.

I read a shocking poll that over half of American Christians don't believe in the literal existence of the Holy Spirit or Satan. In other words, they don't believe in the supernatural. If we don't have a supernatural church, what do we have? I think we're looking at it. I have seen demon possession, and I actually think it is very common; it is just not always the variety of it where people are acting like lunatics. Satan can possess people in such a way as they appear to be (mostly) normal to others. I think this demonstrates what our standard of normal actually is, these days.

I think what your dad did is right, since we are commanded to spread the gospel. The response of those who are grateful to have even scraps of the bible when most of us have 4 or 5 in our houses gathering dust is humbling. When I read about people in the underground church, it reminds me of the early church as described in acts. That is what the body of Christ should look like. I think without persecution the church doesn't operate the way it should. You get a bunch of people who don't want to give up anything because they have nothing to lose for becoming a Christian. A church without sacrifice isn't a church..it's a country club.

I'll also add that I've been blessed to find a wonderful fellowship in my town, and the churches here are actually crossing denominational boundaries and working together for the sake of community. So, I know there are good churches still out there. Unfortunately, the majority seem to be heavily compromised.

JRSut1000 · #5 25th May 2012, 07:21 AM

Thank you so much for your honesty and your perspective, Mock. My husband and I are having a difficult time finding fellowhsip because we desire so much more than what most churches today want. We believe that we serve a God of power and might. We believe He is holy and that He wants His people to be 'holy as He is holy'. We know that there is more to life and knowing God than just head knowledge and we yearn to see REAL signs and wonders because God is compassionate and wants to make people whole.

YET there is so much unbelief in the churches today. Even within my own small group, the leaders are trying so hard to debunk mindsets of unbelief but it just hasnt changed because people put their traditional theology above a great God who can do much more than what they can imagine. They put God in a theological box and make excuses for things like sin and diseases. It's really so heart-breaking. Truly. I know it grieves the heart of God that His people refuse to really know Him, to seek and chase after Him, to know His ways.

Many wonder why there's no healing and signs and wonders (that are real, not the fake stuff or the stuff that makes you wonder 'is that really God?') God is not the author of confusion and when He does something, He doesnt just do it halfway. I believe our God can raise the dead, heal amputees, deliver from demonic bondage, etc. But we just dont see it as a whole today because there's so much unbelief AND there's so much sin.

America doesnt 'need' God. American Christians don't 'need' God. It's as though life still goes on whether they believe in Him or not. There live doesnt look very different with or without Him. Kinda scary to think about.

But I know that God yearns to restore His people, to raise up men and women who are zealous for the LORD and want to carry out His will in the Kingdom. And what is His will? To bring sinners to repentance, to heal the sick, to set free those in bondage, to make people whole again, to equip them with understanding and compassion and truth, to restore order and holiness once again.

Will it happen in America? I think there will be a divide between who is REAL and who is FAKE. Those who are fake will continue in their sins and fall away. Those who are real will keep seeking the heart of God and He will use them.

WilliamB · #6 25th May 2012, 11:24 AM

The whole world is doomed, America is no exception. And sorry to say it but Africa dosent seem to be any beacon of light, in the God department. The whole world is doing exactly what is prophesied. Rejoice, for His coming is soon.

Funny thing about your post, is while i feel your passion, you don't sound any different than many of the hypocrites in church. Trying to get others to adhere to "your" standard of what is Godly. God asked us to do two simple things, love God with all your heart, mind and soul and love one another as we love ourselves.

All these oral laws and traditions are just religious nonsense, that just gets in the way of a real relationship with God, all for the sake of 1., keeping a law we are free from and 2., looking to be seen as "righteous" among fellow church folk.

My advice to you, follow the two great commands and go enjoy your life. Until you've got those two mastered, I wouldn't worry about the speck in everyone else's eye, because you're still blind. One can not claim to know God, if one does not know love, because God is love. This is the real problem with the church, America and the world. And based on that fact, 65% is about 30% short of an accurate assessment.

Naomanos · #7 25th May 2012, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by WilliamB

The whole world is doomed, America is no exception. And sorry to say it but Africa dosent seem to be any beacon of light, in the God department. The whole world is doing exactly what is prophesied. Rejoice, for His coming is soon.

Funny thing about your post, is while i feel your passion, you don't sound any different than many of the hypocrites in church. Trying to get other to adhere to "your" standard of what is Godly. God asked us to do two simple things, love God with all your heart, mind and soul and love one another as we love ourselves.

All these oral laws and traditions are just religious nonsense, that just gets in the way of a real relationship with God, all for the sake of 1., keeping a law we are free from and 2., looking to be seen as "righteous" among fellow church folk.

My advice to you, follow the two great commands and go enjoy your life. Until you've got those two mastered, I wouldn't worry about the speck in everyone else's eye, because you're still blind.

Very wise words!