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Old 25th May 2012, 10:08 AM
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I would like to say, in amendment to my posts, that I apologize by their hostile tone. I'm prone to being cranky without my coffee in the morning, and as someone who has struggled with obesity for the entirety of my life, whose entire family likewise struggles; and as such it's primarily genetic this is one of the few areas where I'm rather sensitive. Being large has not been much of a picnic in most social settings. When you go into a restaurant and feel the judgment coming from the looks of other people--even when you only ordered a salad or something small--it's easy to become defensive.

I consume far less quantities of food than virtually anyone else I know, I am far more active in my lifestyle than a lot of people I know. It's my burden and I accept it.

More than this, my grandmother on my mother's side who I've always been very close with used to confide in me that she was very scared that she might not be allowed into heaven because she was a heavy set lady. Why? Because she grew up in a church tradition that taught that being fat was sinful, and that living in such sin meant your salvation was ever in jeopardy. This was a sincere and real fear that had, and her sisters (who were not heavy set) found a lot of joy in trying to torture her with this idea.

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Old 25th May 2012, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Jonathan95 View Post
I'm not a glutton.
Have you ever sat down to a large family meal? Was the food you consumed of higher quality than another family that you knew of? Have you eaten any of the processed, mass-produced foods readily available in the Western World?

All while this is happening?



Welcome to gluttony.

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Originally Posted by ViaCrucis View Post
Have you ever sat down to a large family meal? Was the food you consumed of higher quality than another family that you knew of? Have you eaten any of the processed, mass-produced foods readily available in the Western World?

All while this is happening?



Welcome to gluttony.

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It's not gluttony, I can't travel to them and help them. Overeating is a Sin, do you believe so?
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Old 25th May 2012, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ViaCrucis View Post

Consider your theology. Sometimes theology isn't just bad, sometimes bad theology is downright toxic.
I'm not saying it's Sinful to be fat. It's sinful to eat more than needed (overeating/excess eating).

ALso, look at my post above this post.
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Originally Posted by Jonathan95 View Post
It's not gluttony, I can't travel to them and help them. Overeating is a Sin, do you believe so?
What follows is not judgement, but something to consider (it's something I would like to do as well and acknowledge I don't do it but feel like I ought to):

Consider all the things you could be doing.

Consider all the food you could put aside by fasting from certain types of food once or twice a week, and donating that food to soup kitchens, or to organizations that can get more food to nations with starving children.

Not being able to personally travel and help shouldn't be excuse not to help.

The fact of the matter is that each and every person in this world that has the ability to use the internet also has the ability to do more to help their neighbor.

Have a hankering for pizza? Don't. Take that money and feed someone else. Little things.

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Originally Posted by Peter Carlington View Post
St. Thomas Aquinas wrote greed is "a sin against God, just as all mortal sins, in as much as man condemns things eternal for the sake of temporal things."

So should we take it that being fat is also a sign of disrespect to God?

He gave us our bodies and do we not have a duty to treat them as a Temple and to look after them? Therefore everyday that someone lives as overweight it is an insult to God.

Now please note, this does not apply to people who have a medical condition that keeps them from losing weight - e.g. a thyroid problem. But cases such as these are a small minority - say less than 1%

Isn't it true to say that the other 99% of fat people are sinning everyday that they continue to overeat and not exercise? As in all such cases, we should love the sinner, but condemn the sin.
Most people that are fat have 2 problems, first is that most are emotionally engulfed in unforgiveness towards others. The second is that their bodies are crying out for nutrients and thus they take in calories while not getting the nutrients their bodies desire and so they take in more calories: as their bodies are not satisfied; welcome to the world of processed foods. Oh and once should not think that good genes does not play a factor in separating oneself from others because it does.
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Originally Posted by ViaCrucis View Post
I would like to say, in amendment to my posts, that I apologize by their hostile tone. I'm prone to being cranky without my coffee in the morning, and as someone who has struggled with obesity for the entirety of my life, whose entire family likewise struggles; and as such it's primarily genetic this is one of the few areas where I'm rather sensitive. Being large has not been much of a picnic in most social settings. When you go into a restaurant and feel the judgment coming from the looks of other people--even when you only ordered a salad or something small--it's easy to become defensive.

I consume far less quantities of food than virtually anyone else I know, I am far more active in my lifestyle than a lot of people I know. It's my burden and I accept it.

More than this, my grandmother on my mother's side who I've always been very close with used to confide in me that she was very scared that she might not be allowed into heaven because she was a heavy set lady. Why? Because she grew up in a church tradition that taught that being fat was sinful, and that living in such sin meant your salvation was ever in jeopardy. This was a sincere and real fear that had, and her sisters (who were not heavy set) found a lot of joy in trying to torture her with this idea.

Consider your theology. Sometimes theology isn't just bad, sometimes bad theology is downright toxic.

-CryptoLutheran
I hate to say that many here probably don't believe you statements: a sad reality.

I would really encourage you to check out this doctor that has helped thousands who were naturally obese, as he has found foods that naturally turn on genes that help people lose weight Dr. Joel Fuhrman Improves Health - Lose Weight Naturally | Reverse Diabetes | Prevent Heart Disease and Cancer | Lower Cholesterol
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Originally Posted by Jonathan95 View Post
It's not gluttony, I can't travel to them and help them. Overeating is a Sin, do you believe so?

Originally Posted by "ViaCrucis
What follows is not judgement, but something to consider (it's something I would like to do as well and acknowledge I don't do it but feel like I ought to):

Consider all the things you could be doing.

Consider all the food you could put aside by fasting from certain types of food once or twice a week, and donating that food to soup kitchens, or to organizations that can get more food to nations with starving children.

Not being able to personally travel and help shouldn't be excuse not to help.

The fact of the matter is that each and every person in this world that has the ability to use the internet also has the ability to do more to help their neighbor.

Have a hankering for pizza? Don't. Take that money and feed someone else. Little things.

-CryptoLutheran
Amen
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Originally Posted by ViaCrucis View Post
What follows is not judgement, but something to consider (it's something I would like to do as well and acknowledge I don't do it but feel like I ought to):

Consider all the things you could be doing.

Consider all the food you could put aside by fasting from certain types of food once or twice a week, and donating that food to soup kitchens, or to organizations that can get more food to nations with starving children.

Not being able to personally travel and help shouldn't be excuse not to help.

The fact of the matter is that each and every person in this world that has the ability to use the internet also has the ability to do more to help their neighbor.

Have a hankering for pizza? Don't. Take that money and feed someone else. Little things.

-CryptoLutheran
Well it's another thing if one has to gain weight and length (like me). Then it's not Sin to eat a Pizza. It's not sin to eat a pizza regardless of what weight on has, for that matter. But overeating is definetly Sin, it's gratifying the flesh. I don't know if it is Sin if you need weight and length.

My family has barely an average economy, by the standards of Sweden. They are unemployed. I barely eat pizza or fast food for that matter. Pizza and hamburger here costs around 10 dollar. Well Mc Donalds is like 9 dollars (menus), but I never eat there anymore.

I wouldn't say it's gluttony to eat a hamburger menu (100% meat) at drive-in, if you've been on the road for a long time and don't want to cook food.

I still have no answer. Do you believe it's Sin to overeat? (Gluttony/excess eating).
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