I Need Help with Genesis

IisJustMe · #21 22nd May 2012, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Assyrian

It is odd I can only find this quote in abridged versions of BDB The full version actually written by Brown Driver & Briggs makes no mention of it 3118. ×™×•Ö¹× (yom) -- day.

Another problem is H3118 is the Aramaic. The Hebrew is H3117 neither abridged nor full version of BDB make any reference to it.
3117. ×™×•Ö¹× (yom) -- day

It is also thus in The Complete Word Study Dictionary, which gives the also unique provisio that the Genesis 1 usages account for only the daylight hours, from sunrise to sunset.

n2thelight · #22 22nd May 2012, 11:48 PM

Peter Carlington
– God created the world in six days and then rested. And these are real 24-hour days – not some diluted concept where “day” could refer to millions of years

God did not create the world in 6 days and then rest,the earth was created millions of years ago,He destroyed it,so what He did in the 6 days,was to regenerate it.....

ebia · #23 23rd May 2012, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by n2thelight

God did not create the world in 6 days and then rest,the earth was created millions of years ago,He destroyed it,so what He did in the 6 days,was to regenerate it.....

:bangs head on wall:

n2thelight · #24 23rd May 2012, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by ebia

:bangs head on wall:

Hope it didn't hurt.......

beforHim · #25 23rd May 2012, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by n2thelight

God did not create the world in 6 days and then rest,the earth was created millions of years ago,He destroyed it,so what He did in the 6 days,was to regenerate it.....

Were in the Bible do you get that from? I'm no "scripture only" guy (thus the Methodist icon), but it should be in scripture. I'm not saying or assuming it's not- just that I don't see it. BUT-

I have never really looked, so I'd be much appreciated if you could give us the rundown. Cool

beforHim · #26 23rd May 2012, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by elman

Why would you think day in the seven days of creation was twenty four hours? On what day was the sun created? How is there twenty four hour days before the sun exists?

Originally Posted by bobk

The hebrew word for day is yom. It can be used to desccribe a day, a year or a period of time. Here is the definition of "yom" from the Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament (1980, Moody Press) "It can denote: 1. the period of light (as contrasted with the period of darkness), 2. the period of twenty-four hours, 3. a general vague "time," 4. a point of time, 5. a year (in the plural; I Sam 27:7; Ex 13:10, etc.)."

Originally Posted by IisJustMe

I'm frankly amazed Moody leaves out this definition from Brown-Driver-Briggs:

day always refers to a twenty-four hour period when the word is modified by a definite or cardinal number

... as it is in Genesis 1

I've always wondered. . . We always say "a day doesn't have to be 24 hours", and then the argument (as elman put it so well) is said that we shouldn't be limited to 24 hour days, because the sun wasn't created 'till day 4. But what I'm wondering now is:

Could God have created the days to be 24 hours even without a sun, then just made the sun in such a way that it's rotation fit the already 24 hours put in place?

ebia's post about 24 hours being anachronistic is spot on, but I just thought I'd bring this up anyway.

beforHim · #27 23rd May 2012, 02:18 AM

I say this, for the OP: (and everyone else, I guess lol

)

If the Bible doesn't tell us something, why must we assume that in order for it to be true or make sense, we MUST have an answer?

Coworker: "How are they created".
You: "That's not addressed in the Bible, but here are some interesting things I've thought about on the subject".
+Is the coworker, thus, the "winner" of any argument? Are you "wrong", and thus now Christianity has been proven false, or a worldview not worth believing in? It doesn't follow.

Coworker: "But that won't work because yada-yada"
You: "Well here's some other stuff I've thought of"
Coworker: "Still won't work/I don't agree/that's silly/(fill in the blank)"
+AGAIN: is Christianity suddenly disproven, the Bible is now known to be false? It just doesn't follow.

Pretty cool, huh?

EDIT:

Of course, now you might have to battle the "Not giving an answer and/or saying 'I don't know' is a cop out" line of reasoning. AGAIN AGAIN: how in the world does us not knowing the answer prove Christianity is not true? It Does Not Follow. Sure, if we are lazy and don't attempt to find an answer, we are not being good Christians. But it does not follow that Christianity is false.

Look up "non sequitor" over at wikipedia.

ViaCrucis · #28 23rd May 2012, 02:37 AM

I concur that the yom in Genesis 1 refers to normal days. What I don't think the text is saying, however, is that the narrative of creation described therein is intended to be read in the same way that I would read an academic journal describing the interactions between subatomic particles. The days are days, but they are used as a theological and poetic framing device--they function as a set of parallels. That is, in the first three days God separates, divides, and opens ups the various spaces of creation (day and night, waters above and waters below, earth and sea) and parallels these in the last three days by filling up these spaces with creatures to govern or rule them (sun, moon and stars; flying things and swimming things; beasts of the land that run, creep, and crawl). The finishing touch, of course, of all this is humankind created to govern it all.

This is theology, not science.

-CryptoLutheran

n2thelight · #29 23rd May 2012, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by beforHim

Were in the Bible do you get that from? I'm no "scripture only" guy (thus the Methodist icon), but it should be in scripture. I'm not saying or assuming it's not- just that I don't see it. BUT-

I have never really looked, so I'd be much appreciated if you could give us the rundown. Cool

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

There are two bodies mentioned in this verse; the heaven and the earth. It simply stated a fact and left the time factor out. The verse not only did not say when, but left it totally to our imagination, as to the eternal span of time, and how the creation took place.

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep."

Who is that Spirit of God? He is the Holy Spirit, and it is God's Spirit that moved upon the face of the waters.
In the Hebrew translation of the word, "was", as used in this verse "...the earth was without form,..."; in the original text it reads "became without form...". This same mistranslation of the word "became", and turning it into the word "was" is also present in Genesis 2:7. It should read there; "..and man became a living soul."
The correct Hebrew translation from the Massoretic Hebrew text for the words, "without form" is "tohu-va bohu" in the Hebrew Strong's dictionary. So we see that the earth was not "created without form", but it "became [tohu] without form and void". Lets go to Strong's Hebrew dictionary, reference number 1961 to verify the word "was", that we read in this verse. "Yahah, haw-yaw; a prime root, to exit; to become, or come to pass." [#1961]

Now lets continue in the Strong's Hebrew dictionary to get the true meaning for the word "void". # 2258, on page 36 tells us that we have to go to # 2254 for the prime on the meaning of this word "void". # 2254; "Chabal, khaw-bal; to wind tightly as a rope, to bind, to pervert, destroy, to corrupt, spoil, travail," This corresponds with its other use in # 2255, which reads; "to ruin".

"Tohu" of the earth, then means that total destruction had come to pass upon the earth. The second "was" in the verse is in italics type because there is no verb "to be" in the Hebrew language. One of the problems in translating the Hebrew into English is that the verb, "to be" is not distinguished from the verb, "to become".

At the end of Genesis 1:1 the first earth age ceased to exist in its previous form. God created the earth to be inhabited, and then He destroyed it. There was an entire earth age that existed between verses one and two of Genesis. This first earth age is spoken of in II Peter, Jeremiah, Proverbs, and Jude. We will look into these Scripture passages and try to understand the deeper meaning of our Father's Word.
If you don't understand that there was a first earth age, you will not understand why God would say in Malachi 1:3; "And I hated Esau...". God hated Esau even while he was in his mother's womb. It was in the first earth age that God hated Esau, because of what Esau did in that first earth age. It was what Esau's soul did in that age that so angered God; and that anger passed on to the embryo of Esau, when his soul entered into this earth age. See also Romans 9:13.

This verse, then, does verify the fact that our earth is older than 6,000 years old. To be more exact, it's probably many millions of years old. However, no matter how old this earth is, it is the only place we can live on in the flesh and survive. We do not worship God's creation; we are to worship the creator, our Heavenly Father. God is in control of all of His creation, and He destroyed all forms of life that lived on the earth from the first earth age.

In Isaiah 45:18; "For thus saith the Lord That created the heavens; God Himself That formed the earth and made it; He hath established it He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: "I am the Lord; and there is none else."

This is God speaking as Isaiah is writing it down, and He is telling us that when He created the earth, it was not in vain. "Vain" is the same Hebrew word that we saw in Genesis 1:2, which was given as "void". God created this earth to be lived on, and to be inhabited. Genesis 1:1 told us that God created the earth to be inhabited. The "Tohu", the "destruction", was not part of the creation plan of verse one, but came after the fall of Satan when one third of all the souls followed Satan in the first earth age, in verse two.

We find more documentation concerning the first earth age in II Peter 3. In fact we can read of all three earth ages, as Peter becomes a witness to the fact.

II Peter 3:5; "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"
The earth came about by "the word of God", God's speech. Some ministers preach that this was Noah's flood, well let's see.

II Peter 3:6; "Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:"
Perished means total destruction. "The world [age] that then was" ended in total ruin through another flood that was prior to Noah's day. There were no survivors of that flood; no animals, no man, no insects, nor vegetation survived in any form. Everything perished! We know in Noah's flood that two of all life forms were saved.

Taken from a study by Roger Christopherson

If you read the rest of Genesis 1 you should also see that Adam and Eve were not the first people ....Had to put that in there.....

The next question should be,why did He destroy it,and the answer would be because of satan's rebellion

progmonk · #30 23rd May 2012, 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by n2thelight

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

There are two bodies mentioned in this verse; the heaven and the earth. It simply stated a fact and left the time factor out. The verse not only did not say when, but left it totally to our imagination, as to the eternal span of time, and how the creation took place.

Actually to me this looks like a heading detailing the following, see also Gen 2:4, 5:1, 6:9 and there are others just too lazy to find them