Dual Nature Question

Johnnz · #71 5th July 2012, 03:59 PM

it is important to clearly distinguish Jesus in His eternal divinity (son of God) from his time on earth as the Son of Man. Jesus was always fully divine and coequal, but in the incarnation he also became fully human without extinguishing his divinity.

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tezboski99 · #72 5th July 2012, 05:48 PM

"it is important to clearly distinguish Jesus in His eternal divinity (son of God) from his time on earth as the Son of Man. Jesus was always fully divine and coequal, but in the incarnation he also became fully human without extinguishing his divinity."

Jesus "divine nature" as the Son of GOD never changed when he was on earth in the flesh. He was always GOD's son from the beginning. He was sent from heaven to die for mankind and became fully human and was tempted while enduring troubles as the scriptures state. After Jesus' death His Father who never left heaven and sent His only-begotten into the world then resurrected His son Jesus and appointed Jesus as the heir of the kingdom on the throne of David as a king priest like Melchizedek.

That Jesus continues to serve his Father (still the ONLY true GOD) is clear from the things he says and the fact that he still worships the Father even from heaven.

Revelation 3:12
The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God;

After he completes his work the Father assigned he becomes a perpetual subject of the Father so that "all things" are under the Father only.

1 Corinthians 15:27-28
For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him(GOD Himself) who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

The Son Jesus has and will always be a subordinate of the Father. He was never a Co-equal but a "image" of His Father just as my own son looks and acts like me. A "chip off the block" so to speak.

Johnnz · #73 5th July 2012, 06:00 PM

There are other threads debating the Trinity. That's not the topic of this one.

John
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AHJE · #74 5th July 2012, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by SQLservant

Did Christ's human nature exist eternally as well as His divine one, or did it come into existence at the Incarnation? And does this mean that God indeed did "change"? I anticipate the answer to that one to be "no," but I never really knew about the first.

EDIT: Just saw a thread about this exact topic farther down the page. Delete plx!

Dear SQLservant,

Interesting question. The answer is no, ... The Human Nature of Christ did not exist eternally as well as His Divine Nature. For the Human Nature of Christ was CREATED, ... hence, ... it had a beginning ... in the womb of the Blessed Virgin Mary. He was conceived by the Power of God the Holy Spirit and "became" MAN. That is to say, the Eternal Son assumed (took on) a real Human Nature.

So, yes, it came into existence at the Moment that Mary said her YES to God, at the moment of the Incarnation.

God did not change, for God the Son did not cease to BE God when He united to His Divine Nature the Human Nature. God is immutable, yet His Humanity grew and developed in wisdom and grace.

God bless you.

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SQLservant · #75 5th July 2012, 10:35 PM

"...Et homo factus est." How could I forget?

tezboski99 · #76 6th July 2012, 06:42 AM

The question was "Did Christ's human nature exist eternally as well as His divine one, or did it come into existence at the Incarnation? And does this mean that God indeed did "change"?

The answer is...no GOD didn't change becaue he sent His Son who has his own nature or glory. That is because the Son is his own person that is in the "image" of his Father just as Seth was the "image" of Adam. It's not a specific trinity discusstion but ties directly to it in determining the accurate nature of Jesus.

Jesus' divine origin left heaven in it's entirety and took on a human body. He was fully human but without sin. He died and his Father who never left heaven resurrected Jesus back to life and granted him an inheritance as a Son would from a Father for being obedient. Jesus himself while from heaven was not GOD himself. He was never a coequal.

I pose the question: What would GOD need to learn from being a human? Keep in mind this scripture in your reply.

Psalm 147:5
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength;
His understanding is infinite.

We learn from HIM.......what could He learn from us?

netchaplain · #77 6th July 2012, 01:08 PM

It's not that Christ had a human nature but that His nature as a human and as the Son of God can only be divine (2 Pet 1:4). No scripture evidence exists for the phrase "human nature" when referring to Christ's earthly ministry.

Christ didn't require a nature as a human (sinful) to "be touched with the feeling of our infirmities" (Heb 4:15) because for Christ to endure the same infirmities as us and be "without sin", His only nature must be divine. One with a divine nature will still feel physical pain and mental anguish while possessing a human body!

The nature of one isn't the pain and anguish. The nature is the response of these infirmities.

netchaplain · #78 6th July 2012, 01:34 PM

Tez, I agree with this: " He died and his Father who never left heaven resurrected Jesus back to life and granted him an inheritance as a Son would from a Father for being obedient." This is the "new testament in Christ's blood (Luk 22:20), which is based on a covenant, not between us and Christ but between Christ and the Father, which was that the Father would raise Him from the dead after He gave Himself for us.

We will remain in disagreement here: "Jesus himself while from heaven was not GOD himself. He was never a coequal." John wrote that Christ "was God" while He is "the Word of God" (John 1:1) and this essence is unchangeable. They are one--coequal (1 John 5:7). I don't present this for persuasive purposes but for stating why I believe in what I believe.

Zeleste · #79 27th February 2013, 01:42 PM

Jesus has only one nature witch was divine and human.

netchaplain · #80 27th February 2013, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Zeleste

Jesus has only one nature witch was divine and human.

Hi Zeleste - I agree that Jesus' human nature was not carnal (sinful) but divine, which I believe was part of the issue of Him being a spotless sacrifice.

Much of the misunderstanding concerning Christ's human nature is the misinterpreting of Hebrews 4:15:

"For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin."

The "yet without sin" is clear in the matter.

God's blessings to your Family!