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27th May 2012, 06:54 PM
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27th May 2012, 07:33 PM
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This thread is being derailed. Let's get this thread back on topic and quit arguing about the rules. Let's do it now before more stringent action is taken. Those responsible have received pm's from me. If you have not received a pm from me then this Mod Hat is not directed to you. I don't want to close the thread. But I will if the arguing continues and the people involved will also be subject to subject to additional communication from our Admins. So back on topic please. Thank you.
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27th May 2012, 07:37 PM
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27th May 2012, 07:38 PM
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Reps: 69,465,329,682,916,560 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Zazal  I don't believe you are doing yourself any favours Nekoda...I have had the same sort of difficulties when going into other arenas, particularly the OBOB, and it has been very hard to pose questions and not seem like it is merely a means to present ones own views. My friendly suggestion is that you back off a bit, rather than trying to justify yourself ...even if your intentions cannot be second guessed and your motives are as pure as the driven snow.
Ps I did write you about the Temple etc, but you leap-frogged my post.
Kind regards. Zazal
Thank you for your previous post - I have read it and intend to read it again and perhaps ask you questions on it - if you are inclined to answer.
Thank you also for the friendly advice - I really think this issue is being painted by some as a "Nekoda vs Messianics" - but as I have repeatedly pointed out - the understanding given by one Messianic doesn't reflect the SOP - nor can this one Messianic claim to speak for all MJ's on this forum and then use that opinion as an accusation against any who have a different understanding.
I don't think I'm alone in thinking that this is a form of theological bullying based on an assumption of unity. |
27th May 2012, 07:39 PM
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27th May 2012, 07:42 PM
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Reps: 514,841,925,420,417,984 (power: 514,841,925,420,422) | | Originally Posted by yedida There is no temple in place at this time. You can't mean the al-aqsa mosque? I can't imagine the Jews leaving that up once they get the go-ahead to rebuild.
And you're probably right about the Ezekiel temple - It could very easily be the Heavenly that will come down, but then again, maybe not. It could be an enlargement of what is built first on the temple mount So many possiblilities.
But in the millennium there will be sacrifices, per Zech. 14, and per Ezekiel's temple (whether that is the one that the Jews build or it's the heavenly come down) - again, it would be unimaginable that whatever temple is built upon the temple mount by the Jews that there will not be sacrifices re-instituted.
Hi bro...you misunderstand.
I was indicating that everything is poised and ready for the set up of the third Temple, most of the garments have been made, utensils, bowls, plates...even the red Heifer has been bred (Texas I think). So I presume it will be built soon, even in our life-time.
I think the whole of the Temple Mount will have to be cleared and cleansed...which means getting rid of all temples to false gods...although I have heard and seen plans for joint ownership, and a Temple built along-side the Mosque of Omar...( I don't really think this would be acceptable).
I don't think Ezekiels Temple equates with the Heavenly Temple because there is no Temple in Heavenly Jerusalem Rev 21:22 I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. So the millenial Temple has to be the one Ezekiel mentions, and to my mind this will be the 4th Temple...and as I indicated before, the 3rd Temple will be the one that is a fleshly attempt that will revert to Old Covenant principles and seek to present a form of rabbinic Judaism that denies Messiah while still hoping for Messiah...if you catch my drift.
I don't know how YHWH or YHVH will be pronounced...again this can only boil down to theological speculation as far as I can see. I think G-d is more concerned in obedience than saying His name properly.
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27th May 2012, 07:50 PM
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Reps: 2,269,364,504,215,791,360 (power: 2,269,364,504,215,808) | | Originally Posted by Zazal Hi bro...you misunderstand.
I was indicating that everything is poised and ready for the set up of the third Temple, most of the garments have been made, utensils, bowls, plates...even the red Heifer has been bred (Texas I think). So I presume it will be built soon, even in our life-time.
I think the whole of the Temple Mount will have to be cleared and cleansed...which means getting rid of all temples to false gods...although I have heard and seen plans for joint ownership, and a Temple built along-side the Mosque of Omar...( I don't really think this would be acceptable).
I don't think Ezekiels Temple equates with the Heavenly Temple because there is no Temple in Heavenly Jerusalem Rev 21:22 I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. So the millenial Temple has to be the one Ezekiel mentions, and to my mind this will be the 4th Temple...and as I indicated before, the 3rd Temple will be the one that is a fleshly attempt that will revert to Old Covenant principles and seek to present a form of rabbinic Judaism that denies Messiah while still hoping for Messiah...if you catch my drift.
I don't know how YHWH or YHVH will be pronounced...again this can only boil down to theological speculation as far as I can see. I think G-d is more concerned in obedience than saying His name properly.
Hi, Yedida is a female. I get usernames confused to. God bless.
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27th May 2012, 07:55 PM
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Reps: 514,841,925,420,417,984 (power: 514,841,925,420,422) | | Originally Posted by Nekoda Thank you for your previous post - I have read it and intend to read it again and perhaps ask you questions on it - if you are inclined to answer.
Thank you also for the friendly advice - I really think this issue is being painted by some as a "Nekoda vs Messianics" - but as I have repeatedly pointed out - the understanding given by one Messianic doesn't reflect the SOP - nor can this one Messianic claim to speak for all MJ's on this forum and then use that opinion as an accusation against any who have a different understanding.
I don't think I'm alone in thinking that this is a form of theological bullying based on an assumption of unity.
I am always happy to answer anything as best I can...but remember I do not have 100% conviction on what might prove to be inspired speculation..and sometimes like Mary, we have to hold things in our heart, or place them on the back-burner until we get further light on things.
As for what can or can't be said in these Forums, I just go with the flow and cut my cloth accordingly, I have a hard enough time articulating my understanding without trying to do a Moderators job....This place is light-weight compared to OBOB..if you have the vaguest scent of a non-Catholic about you, and present anything that reeks of Protestantism, you will have the dogs set upon you. Saying that I am there at the moment and learning from my Catholic brethren...but cautiously.
All the best. Zazal
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27th May 2012, 07:56 PM
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Lol...whoops and sorry Yedida...ani mistaer m'od. 
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27th May 2012, 08:00 PM
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Reps: 69,465,329,682,916,560 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Zazal I am always happy to answer anything as best I can...but remember I do not have 100% conviction on what might prove to be inspired speculation..and sometimes like Mary, we have to hold things in our heart, or place them on the back-burner until we get further light on things.
Noted. Originally Posted by Zazal As for what can or can't be said in these Forums, I just go with the flow and cut my cloth accordingly, I have a hard enough time articulating my understanding without trying to do a Moderators job....This place is light-weight compared to OBOB..if you have the vaguest scent of a non-Catholic about you, and present anything that reeks of Protestantism, you will have the dogs set upon you. Saying that I am there at the moment and learning from my Catholic brethren...but cautiously.
Ah - so this is the place I go to should I decide to commit CF suicide.  Originally Posted by Zazal
All the best. Zazal
As with you.
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