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Reps: 9,791,982,705,698,224 (power: 9,791,982,705,701) | | Originally Posted by Gadarene  It's funny how many Christians are blindsided by the notion of a devil's advocate argument.
Maybe they skipped over reading the definition because it has the word "devil" in it.
It's also funny how many atheists visit Christian forums, discuss Christian topics and use Bible passages to support their argument or point...
Then, when a.n other Christian responds, they get told that their interpretation of the particular passage is wrong anyway.
Just find that quite amusing really...
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Reps: 120,281,017,870,334,736 (power: 120,281,017,870,339) | | Originally Posted by ianb321red
It's also funny how many atheists visit Christian forums, discuss Christian topics and use Bible passages to support their argument or point...
Then, when a.n other Christian responds, they get told that their interpretation of the particular passage is wrong anyway.
Just find that quite amusing really...
Well, it's not like Christians can regularly come to a consensus on interpretation anyway.... |
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Reps: 96,483,658,764,676,464 (power: 96,483,658,764,689) | | Originally Posted by ianb321red It's also funny how many atheists visit Christian forums, discuss Christian topics and use Bible passages to support their argument or point...
Then, when a.n other Christian responds, they get told that their interpretation of the particular passage is wrong anyway.
Just find that quite amusing really...
Well, with all due respect, it takes a bit more than "my interpretation is right because I say so," or "You're wrong because you're an atheist," which is essentially all you've done. Christians don't get to simply say "you're wrong, I'm right," you have to follow through on an explanation why.
You've given an explanation for why you think you're right, but so far that explanation is wanting, and merely seems based on whatever you feel like. I went ahead and addressed the problems with it. Perhaps you could explain what your explanation is actually based on. |
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Reps: 140,613,307,169,252,672 (power: 140,613,307,169,262) | | Originally Posted by ianb321red It's also funny how many atheists visit Christian forums, discuss Christian topics and use Bible passages to support their argument or point...
Then, when a.n other Christian responds, they get told that their interpretation of the particular passage is wrong anyway.
Just find that quite amusing really...
Why is it amusing? While this is called the Chirstainforums, it is a public and open forum with no requirements for membership. This site is very large and has many subforums for people to debate/discuss. So I've never understood why people find it odd that atheists are on a public forum.
I mean why would creationists ever visit science forums? Clearly have no interest in actual science. But here people are interesting in actually trying to debate religion and all that.
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Reps: 1,385,291,402,665,739 (power: 1,385,291,402,667) | | Originally Posted by JGG Well, with all due respect, it takes a bit more than "my interpretation is right because I say so," or "You're wrong because you're an atheist," which is essentially all you've done. Christians don't get to simply say "you're wrong, I'm right," you have to follow through on an explanation why.
You've given an explanation for why you think you're right, but so far that explanation is wanting, and merely seems based on whatever you feel like. I went ahead and addressed the problems with it. Perhaps you could explain what your explanation is actually based on.
If I may jump in? Ian is right in that you have misquoted the bible, having taken the verse out of context and attributed it to God, when as Ian said it is actually God's servant David who is praying to God.
You do need to have some theological insight to understand the context at least of what you are quoting and why  |
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Reps: 120,281,017,870,334,736 (power: 120,281,017,870,339) | | Originally Posted by Whistle Blower If I may jump in? Ian is right in that you have misquoted the bible, having taken the verse out of context and attributed it to God, when as Ian said it is actually God's servant David who is praying to God.
You do need to have some theological insight to understand the context at least of what you are quoting and why
Maybe, maybe not, but verses from Psalms are often treated as a definite description of God's behaviour rather than David's personal opinion of God's behaviour. |
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Reps: 96,483,658,764,676,464 (power: 96,483,658,764,689) | | Originally Posted by Whistle Blower If I may jump in? Ian is right in that you have misquoted the bible, having taken the verse out of context and attributed it to God, when as Ian said it is actually God's servant David who is praying to God.
I never actually attributed it to God, I merely took it as a biblically accurate statement from the Bible, which is supposedly authoratative, and infallible. Whether it is a direct quote from God or David is neither here nor there. It's Biblical.
Furthermore, when the previous statement (from Psalm 14) is used to demean atheists, Christians never (ever) stop and say, "Well that's just one of David's prayers, it's not biblically factual, or the word of God." In fact, it's still commonly used to demean atheists as a Biblical fact. So, why would we suddenly change the way we interpret the same book when examining Psalm 5? Suddenly, youre saying that David and the Bible are necessarily wrong. You do need to have some theological insight to understand the context at least of what you are quoting and why
No, I don't think so. You can't just site theological insight, and then proclaim yourself correct. You have to explain your insight.
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Reps: 1,385,291,402,665,739 (power: 1,385,291,402,667) | | [quote=JGG;60567728]I never actually attributed it to God, I merely took it as a biblically accurate statement from the Bible, which is supposedly authoratative, and infallible. Whether it is a direct quote from God or David is neither here nor there. It's Biblical. 2 Tim 3: 16 "All Scripture is God-breathed..." You are right in saying that it is biblical, but the bible is not just one long chapter. It is divided into different books, with historical, theological, social and cultural significance. The 'born again' Christian (of which I am one, and I know Ian is also) does accept it as God's Word from start to finish, knowing that it has significance for all people for all time.
Furthermore, when the previous statement (from Psalm 14) is used to demean atheists, Christians never (ever) stop and say, "Well that's just one of David's prayers, it's not biblically factual, or the word of God." In fact, it's still commonly used to demean atheists as a Biblical fact. So, why would we suddenly change the way we interpret the same book when examining Psalm 5? The verse from Ps 14 applies to all unbelievers, irrespective of them being atheists or otherwise.
No, I don't think so. You can't just site theological insight, and then proclaim yourself correct. You have to explain your insight. The insight is given by God's Spirit to those who are born again (Jn 3: 3, Acts 2: 38). Theological education also comes into play. I have a degree in theology. As I do not have a degree in architecture, I do not engage in that type of forum as I have no insight. However, as a born again Christian (with a degree in theology) I can and do speak with knowledge and insight on this forum.   |
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Reps: 96,483,658,764,676,464 (power: 96,483,658,764,689) | | Originally Posted by Whistle Blower 2 Tim 3: 16 "All Scripture is God-breathed..." You are right in saying that it is biblical, but the bible is not just one long chapter. It is divided into different books, with historical, theological, social and cultural significance. The 'born again' Christian (of which I am one, and I know Ian is also) does accept it as God's Word from start to finish, knowing that it has significance for all people for all time. The verse from Ps 14 applies to all unbelievers, irrespective of them being atheists or otherwise. The insight is given by God's Spirit to those who are born again (Jn 3: 3, Acts 2: 38). Theological education also comes into play. I have a degree in theology. As I do not have a degree in architecture, I do not engage in that type of forum as I have no insight. However, as a born again Christian (with a degree in theology) I can and do speak with knowledge and insight on this forum.
So, your point is that the Bible is such an impressive, and infallible book, that one cannot simply take it at face value, and must already be a Christian theologian to interpret it?
However, that's still beside the point. How did you arrive at your interpretation?
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