...and a little child shall lead them -end of the world economic conspiracy con-game?

oldwiseguy · #11 24th May 2012, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by IAMstillis

I think the mark is going to be a computer chip in the hand or the forehead.

I agree. Although symbolically the 'head and hand' represent 'thought and action' the scripture plainly means some sort of identifying sign.

strangertoo · #12 25th May 2012, 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by oldwiseguy

I agree. Although symbolically the 'head and hand' represent 'thought and action' the scripture plainly means some sort of identifying sign.

... the identifying sign of sin is clear enough to everyone, thatnhks to Adam we all KNOW when we sin, no-one ios ignoprabnt of their sin hurting others for their own [false , empty, short-sighted] benefit at terrible long-term cost to all on this earth...

we all have conscience which most practice ignoring for transient 'gain', long-term loss . we all have spirit that whispers the Truth of God that Love of one another is the ONLY way to live together happily , we all have a heart of Love that desires to get back to the Love we hoped for as little children but which most folks give up giving because most folks give up giving[ so with but a few saints to love billions there is not enough Love to even care for the poor , and folks lose faith in Love,faith in God who ois Love , because of themselves, that they do not Love so do not know God :-

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
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1 John 4:16 ...and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

I think these the greatest lines in scripture , the means to know God which almost all folks reject because they love to sin, and sin is unloving, breaking of God's 'Law' of Love, refusing to know God... against the WITNESS within , the SIGN of Love, conscience, spirit, heart of Love, and even against one's mind WATCHING as our world, Nature and works of men, comes to its inevitable end in worship of sin, worship of Satan's false image of a god in mass religion of SINNERS led by sinners ordained by sinners...

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil

the SIGN is clear enough to ALL then , it is SIN vs Love ... keeping God's law of love or breaking it

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

NOTE then that Jesus predicts the COMPLETE falling away of mass religion [Rev 13:3-4] by the WHOLE WORLD bar his few saints [Jude 1:14, Matt 7:14, Rev 7:3-8]

here then is the refutation of the lie of endless grace claimed by continual sinners in churches worldwide [grace is ONLY under the new covenant -Heb 8:8-12] and is very SPECIFIC that it is with only those WHOSE FATHERS broke the old covenant... simply because God named his priests and kings as proofthat He can PROPHESY the end from the beginning - e.g, Exodus 19:6] :-

Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

there is then but ONE sign of Satan, sin , failure of God's Love of all in men... and it is STATED over and over in scripture, but men do not WANT to hear , the ears are stopped, the eyes are closed , and mankind marches blind to destruction of the many [Mat 7:13] led by the blindness of sinners
in mock authority in place of God and Jesus [e.g. Vicaruius Filii Dei , title of all popes , adds to 666 in Latin, means in place of the the son of God.... only sinners need someone splling soothsayings in place fo the Truth fo God given by Jesus.... who needs a man in place of Jesus when we have Jesus ?

the 'problem' for mankind is not in knowing what the sign is, but in DENIAL of scripture, denial of Love, denial of God's Truth , even of the truth about grace ...

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

it is NOT the problem that men have sinned, but that men will not STOP sinning , for sins cannot be remitted by God until they are PAST ...

Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

sin is unloving, imperfect... disobedience to Jesus and God ... that is the sign in heart and mind and action... the will to and acts of unlovingness that pervent men for knowing God, prevent salvation, prevent one's name being written in the Book of Life...

not that sin is the ONLY thing in life that can do this, there is no doubt in scripture what the only thing causing the effect of the mark of the beast is ... it really then makes no difference when men get tagged and controlled by the evil of this world, the problem is that they do so willingly, against the wisdom of the scriptures about the sin which causes them tio accept being tagged by sinners enslaving them further to sin against others for sake of their fears in life...

farmer joe · #13 28th May 2012, 09:21 PM

I'm all for love. But what are we supposed to do about all the evil? Just let it happen and keep lovin? Or are we supposed to try and stop it?

strangertoo · #14 29th May 2012, 02:52 PM

Romans 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Matthew 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

remember, Jesus could have saved himself from death, died to show that one need not fear dying for Love...

John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

farmer joe · #15 30th May 2012, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by strangertoo

Romans 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Matthew 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

remember, Jesus could have saved himself from death, died to show that one need not fear dying for Love...

John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Thank you. Could you also help me with some more questions? What good can I do to overcome the evil of useless wars and innocent people being murdered by this evil? Does mathew 5:39 say not to resist evil but to just let it happen? Am I supposed to love satan ,also?
It just seems that evil is overtaking the good lately. If we continue to ignore it and just keep loving, will it not take over? Isn't that what happened with hitler and the nazi's. If we just turned over our other cheek, wouldn't hitler be controlling the world right now?

strangertoo · #16 30th May 2012, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by farmer joe

Thank you. Could you also help me with some more questions? What good can I do to overcome the evil of useless wars and innocent people being murdered by this evil? Does mathew 5:39 say not to resist evil but to just let it happen? Am I supposed to love satan ,also?
It just seems that evil is overtaking the good lately. If we continue to ignore it and just keep loving, will it not take over? Isn't that what happened with hitler and the nazi's. If we just turned over our other cheek, wouldn't hitler be controlling the world right now?

again . if you really wanted to know [instead of foolishly judging God] , you would seek the answers from God, Jesus, the saints, and the prophets... but I would accept that the Truth of Love is too hard for most [Matt 7:14] and the many destroyed for sin by applying such excuses for sin as you propose...

so let me try to point at scripture again and hope it is enough to encourage you to read all God's word and stop prejudging issues, jumping to conclusions, before reviewing even what God says will happen and why...

so, first off, you must realise the end is certain , Satan already has to ask God before tempting any man , there is no uncertainty in God's mind that Satan will also bow to Jesus in the end and be saved , as Satan is a created being and all creation will bow to Jesus eventually

Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

that then is the certain endpoint according to God, and I would point out how senseless it is to listen to what sinners gossip worldwide and preach in the pulpits of sinner priests ... for sinner cannot know God, cannot be baptised of the spirit as those who wrote the scriptures for your benefit of knowing God's truth...

know though that this whole world WILL, MUST, be deceived by Satan as the final Antichrist , Jesus says so - Rev 13:3-4, 2Thess 2

only the few saints [Jude 1:14] resist , we can estimate about only two thousand alive by then against a united earth of sinners :-

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil

so read who are under grace [Heb 8:8-12] and why [Exodus 19:6, 1Peter 2:9-10]

the few [Matt 7:14] are just tens of thousands of saints [Jude 1;14, Rev 7:3-8] and the MANY billions of sinners of this earth are all destroyed [matt 7:13] in the wrath of God ... but countless many are saved later [Rev 7:9-10] when all are released from hell and death [Rev 20:13] to be judged by works , not grace as death frees all from sin :-

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

so the many will be killed anyway, because they refuse to obey Jesus NOW and Love one another ... but the few saints saved in THIS earth are the kings and priests of the kingdom who rul and minister BY LOVE in teh righteous new earth where countless billions are saved who were destroyed in this life ... the spirit always returns to God and by the spirit are men resurrected to the [renewed, made viable] body , not by the body...

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath ['ruah', spirit] of life; and man became a living soul.

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

So there we have it summarised by God's word ... I would recommend though that you READ IT ALL and seek understanding from God as soon as you are prepared to obey Him and stop sinning against others... then you will not need this web site , which mostly is run by sinners for sinners , helping lead the billions of the earth astray from what scripture rather clearly says if one reads it all... God is His own authority on His Truth and the Truth is SEALED against all sinners because one cannot be baptised of the spirit until one stops sinning , and no-one enters the kingdom without spirit baptism...

we know the many will be baptised AFTER death and resurrection, but the FEW need spirit baptism in this life by grace which they can only receive by ceasing to sin, stopping hurting others with sin... the command is to Love and it is not negotiable...

Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

Thus perhaps you realise why so few find the way NOW ... but that the later salvation of the many depends upon the righteousness of the few now...

Thus you need not fear that God will fail just because God allows Satan to rule the many NOW, nor can you stop it happening , nor can you stop fools going to war to impose the will of even greater fools on the masses of sinners... one day folks will just say NO! , refuse to fight because that is no way to decide anything... and God will simply exclude sinners from thekingdom come by a second death to free them yet again from sin whilst countless many are saved [Rev 7:9-10] at judgement day by works [Rev 20:13] in the righteous kingdom come [at last]

We thus see that the many are not READY yet to STOP sinning against their fellow man, but God is content to save 144,000 [Rev 7:3-4], just tens of thousands of saints [Jude 1:14] because EACH will be the very image of Christ by the time the many are ALL resurrected from hell [Rev 20:13] :-

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

ALL folk require three baptisms :-

Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

clearly almost all do not even repent fully in this life and stop sinning, falling at the very foundation of God, the first 'hurdle' ... it is exactly what the bible reveals MUST happen ... the kingdom is not ready yet for the many...

and after two deaths, at the other end of time, there is baptism of fire in the lake of fire for the most evil of men and Satan himself, but we know they all repent and bow to Christ in the end...

so be aware FEW find the way, it is tens of thousands [Jude 1;14] only who do ... so it is no use following mass religion if one chooses to go for an early possible resurrection and salvation ... by stopping sinning and receiving baptism of the spirit to know all Truth of Love, truth of God, and be tried to test one's faith in Love...

1 Corinthians 8:3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Hebrews 6:10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
1 John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

If you think Hitler was any challenge to God then you are a long way from understanding God's Love of His prodigal son , but it will come once you learn to stop prejudging things and be content to perfect your own Love for your own salvation...

Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

farmer joe · #17 31st May 2012, 04:45 AM

Thank you again, strangertoo. May I ask what your thoughts are on the book of Koran, The sea scrolls , and the book of Enoch? I am impressed with your knowledge of understanding. I have read these and the bible. And yes, I am confused. The more I try to understand and read, the more confused I seem to get. Especially the Torah.

strangertoo · #18 31st May 2012, 09:50 AM

like many of the poorly translated copies of scripture we have today the 'book' of Enoch has no clear original text ... we only have copies and they vary, showing that they are edited , not original...

however the point made by God in the new covenant [Jer 31:31-34] ,repeated consistently by Paul in Heb 8:8-12 is that GOD WILL TEACH Himself all folks under grace

Heb 8: 10 ... saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

this is the REAL new covenant, the ONLY real new covenant God makes ... and LOOK , it says no-one under grace will teach anyone under grace...

compare the with so-called 'bible schools' and even 'priest schools' , where sinners teach sinners, blind leading the blind :-

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself

as sinners can we get taught by a saint then ? ... likely not but for some the opportunity arises ... but realise only one in three million is a saint in this world today... it would hardly be chnace if one met one [and they would not claim to be a saint either, one would know them by their love, just as the disciples knew and followed Jesus by his Love...

so what is the answer , again the saints and Jesus and the prophets all say the same , God is Love, the Law of God and Jesus as COMMANDED to all saints is to LOVE... that is enough to get one translated [saved] but for most intis life it mean facing down death as Jesus and the saints and prophets have done...

we begin to see why so few become saints in this world ... most do not understand that death is only a 'sleep' , most will not accept the new earth and heavens until they are there in the kingdom come... their Love to save them then [or for some a second death as wages of further sin and the final trial of Love in the lake of fire (but no further death, no third death... two deaths is enough to convince even Satan he is no god as he watches all his closest followers desert him to try Jesus' way of Love , in the end all accept Jesus, all reject sin ]

yet in principle all one need do is stop sinning [symbolised as death to the old self in water baptism], then one will receive spirit baptism from God to know all truth [John 16:13]... clearly that is the foolproof route to knowing God , scripture or teachings of a saint needed only to suggest one TRIES Love instead of sinning against folks...

God does the rest and then tries one's Love [baptism of fire] to see if one will deny Love , turn back to sin more empty than ever...

just THREE baptisms necessary for salvation of everyone...

Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

so you see one does not need any scripture to be saved, God's Truth is a free gift to anyone who chooses Love instead of hurting anyone with sin... but for now few find the way of Love.... most remain sinners to death

it is simply that most of mankind is not ready to Love, still thinks they can win something for nothing with sin... it is a lie bi enough to deceive a whole world, bar a few...

the Koran is like a desperately poor cousin to the bible , claims Jesus is a prophet byt ignores what he says and is so inconsistent [not least claiming the bloodiness of its doctrinrs is 'merciful' ... they aren't in the slightest bit merciful or consistent... check it out.

farmer joe · #19 1st June 2012, 05:30 AM

Thank you for your thoughts. I will have to do some more study. But I have no doubt that love is better than hate. If all would love, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in.

strangertoo · #20 1st June 2012, 09:54 AM

True enough, but do not fall into the common trap of thinking hate is the opposite of Love ... the opposite of Love is sin [unlovingnmess] - because Love si keeping God's Law commanded by Jesus as Lord of saints, and sin is breaking God's Law of Love as encouraged by Satan as lord of all who still sin...

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

1 John 3:4 [KJV] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

1 John 3:4 {YLT] Every one who is doing the sin, the lawlessness also he doth do, and the sin is the lawlessness,

the Law of God is Love , the very opposite of sin :-

29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

sin is simply unlovingness, hurting others
-so anyone still sinning knows nothing of God...
that is almost this whole world of men does not KNOW God or Jesus [whio showed us God by his Love] including all mass religion of sinners led by sinners...

that is how far we are already toward Rev 13:3-4