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Originally Posted by AceHero View Post
Exactly. I live in a city that has a decent (and improving) transit system. It's amazing how people complain about gas prices and yet aren't even willing to change their lifestyle a little bit.
Poor people still exist. I gaurantee the world is still a fail.
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Americans you have no idea what it is like to be truly shafted at the petrol pumps.

1.44 a litre

Mercy me
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Originally Posted by TheQuietRiot View Post
Americans you have no idea what it is like to be truly shafted at the petrol pumps.

1.44 a litre

Mercy me
That's USD $10.50/gallon
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Originally Posted by Blayz View Post
That's USD $10.50/gallon
Actually today it would be US $8.73/US GAL with current exchange rate.
Still a great deal more than is paid in the USA.

That said, most of the price of a gallon of gasoline in the USA is tax, either federal or state tax. Very little of the pump price in the US is the cost of the crude, refining costs, and transportation costs.

I would venture a guess that this is also true of Europe and most of the civilized world.
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First, let me just inform all who decided to jump on the "stupid Americans complaining about gas prices" bandwagon, I very specifically noted that I realize many other nations are dealing with the same issue. Let's go ahead and move on, shall we?


Originally Posted by Blayz View Post
So to clarify, you think your government should be in the oil business.
No, I think they ought to get out of the "preventing private companies from drilling" business.


Originally Posted by Blayz View Post
Should private enterprise play a role at all? Should all oil companies be nationalized?
See above response, to which I'll add this: I don't care a whit if foreign countries drill for oil here, so long as American companies are also able to do it with the same freedom or better.


Originally Posted by Blayz View Post
Any of that in the constitution?
Oh, a trite comment. How about the Australian Constitution- Anything there?


Originally Posted by Blayz View Post
Evidence please.
What would you like? Perhaps the $2.2 billion dollar deal giving them access to US shale deposits? (btw- They only paid $900 million up front, ergo, "comparatively good deal.)"

Or, would you prefer a state by state listing of their purchases so far?

SPOILER:

800k acres in Colorado and Wyoming.
265k acres in Louisiana.
350k acres in Michigan.
235k acres in Ohio.
215k acres in Oklahoma.
600k acres in Texas.

Oh, and remember the restriction on Gulf of Mexico oil rigs? Yeah, well, considering China leased more rigs, six of them deep-water, I'm guessing that doesn't apply to foreign countries.


Originally Posted by Blayz View Post
I'm not belittling anything. I'm trying to understand why conservatives think a Chinese company buying US oil deposits is Obama's fault, and what they think he/the government should do in response.
Can't speak for all other conservatives, naturally. I don't blame Obama alone. I blame the federal government as a whole. As a response, they ought to remove the restrictions on privately owned oil companies, loosen regulations, and kick the EPA in the crotch.


Originally Posted by Blayz View Post
I'm not sure you know what hypocritical means, here, let me use it in a sentence for you "Screaming less government involvement in business simultaneously with the government should be in the oil business" is hypocritical.

Here's another example: claiming Obama is refusing people the right to drill for oil whilst simultaneously complaining about people drilling for oil.
I've got another one for you... Wait for it...


Originally Posted by Blayz View Post
To answer your question, I could not give a tinker's cuss who onws the oil. I choose to live in a country with a decent public transport system, and do not own a car.
YEAH! There it is.


Originally Posted by AceHero View Post
Exactly. I live in a city that has a decent (and improving) transit system. It's amazing how people complain about gas prices and yet aren't even willing to change their lifestyle a little bit.
I ride a bike; the bus; the train when I can afford it- I also carpool and have a natural gas truck. Guess what? I'm still complaining about the gas prices, because the world over, they are outright insanity.

Moreover, people should not be forced to take jobs closer that pay less simply because they cannot afford to drive further. (Next door neighbors.)

People should not have to take public transportation, which in my area does not have the greatest safety rating, just because the government is getting greedy with the gas tax.

Finally, if this truly is the land of the free, people should not HAVE to change their entire lifestyle because of GAS PRICES... I mean, seriously- That doesn't strike you as being a pitiful excuse?
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Originally Posted by RETS View Post
No, I think they ought to get out of the "preventing private companies from drilling" business.

See above response, to which I'll add this: I don't care a whit if foreign countries drill for oil here, so long as American companies are also able to do it with the same freedom or better.
You have provided absolutely no evidence that they are not able to do so. All you have done is complain that some Chinese companies bought an interest in US deposits.

Oh, a trite comment. How about the Australian Constitution- Anything there?
Nup, it's like 5 pages long and deals solely with government structure.

What would you like? Perhaps the $2.2 billion dollar deal giving them access to US shale deposits? (btw- They only paid $900 million up front, ergo, "comparatively good deal.)"
Once again, absolutely no evidence that this comprises a "comparatively good deal". Comparative to what?

Or, would you prefer a state by state listing of their purchases so far?

SPOILER:

800k acres in Colorado and Wyoming.
265k acres in Louisiana.
350k acres in Michigan.
235k acres in Ohio.
215k acres in Oklahoma.
600k acres in Texas.
Why does it matter?, and I have to ask again why is it Obama's fault, and further what, exactly, as a conservative that wants the government to stay out of private enterprise, do you want the government to do?

Oh, and remember the restriction on Gulf of Mexico oil rigs? Yeah, well, considering China leased more rigs, six of them deep-water, I'm guessing that doesn't apply to foreign countries.
Yeah, not the only part of your post comprised entirely of guesswork. What restriction, exactly???

BP to start three new Gulf of Mexico oil rigs | Business | The Guardian

Don't see you complaining about British companies allowed to drill there.

Also, how many rigs do you want?

Oil Platforms in the Gulf: How Many and Who Owns Them? | Deep Sea News



As a response, they ought to remove the restrictions on privately owned oil companies
Except Chinese ones, obviously.

I've got another one for you... Wait for it...
You are going to have to explain how "not caring about who owns oil because I don't own a car" is in any way shape or form hypocritical.


You started the post saying you wanted to move on from a gas price discussion...and of course ended it with a discussion on gas prices.
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Blayz, I respond to people's posts. I try to only do it when there is intelligent conversation to be had, but I apologize for not sticking to my guns on that.
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Blayz, I respond to people's posts. I try to only do it when there is intelligent conversation to be had, but I apologize for not sticking to my guns on that.
So, no evidence then.
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So, no evidence then.
No, absolutely no evidence that I'm conversing with anyone who is not willfully ignorant.


Again- Sorry. If I can find some sort of evidence that everything is hunky-dory and going exactly as you seem to paint it, I'll be sure to post.
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No, absolutely no evidence that I'm conversing with anyone who is not willfully ignorant.


Again- Sorry. If I can find some sort of evidence that everything is hunky-dory and going exactly as you seem to paint it, I'll be sure to post.
So, no evidence then.
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