What's wrong with marriage being only between a man and a woman?
The "only" part. Not all men want to marry women, and vice versa. What's wrong with that?
This is the very foundation of the society we live in.
Man + woman (in marriage) + children = family
Sometimes. Not always. We have a pair of very good friends of ours who have been married for many years, but never had kids. It was their personal choice. And, funnily enough, their marriage is just as valid as anyone's!
Man + man or woman + woman can never equal marriage or family.
Sure they can. Families are not just mom and dad and baby makes three, you know.
The long-established, historical norm is father, mother and children. In this traditional, established, historical norm, societies flourish.
Some do, some don't.
Single parents do poorly. Homosexual parents do poorly. Children of deviant families do poorly. So society suffers.
First of all, as the child (oldest of three) raised by a single mother, I have to object. Your assumptions are wrong.
Some kids do well, some don't. Not all kids raised by single parents, gay or straight, do poorly, just as not all kids raised by June and Ward Cleaver do well. You're oversimplifying a very complicated issue, and distorting it to an unrecognizable level.
How about this: if you don't want to marry someone of the same-sex, fine. Don't. If someone else wants to, how does that affect you, or your marriage, one tiny iota?
(By the way, I can give you the answer to that: I'm married, I live in a state where same-sex marriage is entirely, 100% legal, and my marriage is just fine, thank you very much.)
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What's wrong with marriage being only between a man and a woman?
This is the very foundation of the society we live in.
Not too long ago, this was the foundation of the society we lived in:
And then it wasn't. We changed it.
Society changed. We survived.
personally, I think it was a change for the better -- not reason not to try it again.
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What's wrong with marriage being only between a man and a woman?
Because it's a religious concept, so not everyone should be forced to follow it?
This is the very foundation of the society we live in.
Is it?
Man + woman (in marriage) + children = family
Yup, and out of marriage too.
Man + man or woman + woman can never equal marriage or family.
Not true.
Same-sex marriages can happen, and some of them do adopt, if having a child is your definition of a family.
The long-established, historical norm is father, mother and children. In this traditional, established, historical norm, societies flourish.
Ok. But i'm not convinced correlation equals causation.
Single parents do poorly.
Because of time and money normally.
Homosexual parents do poorly.
Proof?
Children of deviant families do poorly.
Deviant to what?
Your bible?
Or your idea of what a family is?
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What's wrong with marriage being only between a man and a woman?
This is the very foundation of the society we live in.
Man + woman (in marriage) + children = family
Man + man or woman + woman can never equal marriage or family.
The long-established, historical norm is father, mother and children. In this traditional, established, historical norm, societies flourish.
Single parents do poorly. Homosexual parents do poorly. Children of deviant families do poorly. So society suffers.
Where to start? You need to post less silliness per post as it's hard to counter this many mistakes in one go.
"This is the very foundation of the society we live in. Man + woman (in marriage) + children = family Man + man or woman + woman can never equal marriage or family. The long-established, historical norm is father, mother and children. In this traditional, established, historical norm, societies flourish."
Slavery, women not voting, christians buring heretics at the stake were also the "traditional, established, historical norm" for a time.
"Single parents do poorly. Homosexual parents do poorly. Children of deviant families do poorly. So society suffers."
You're not correct about the homosexual parents as shown here: Kids with Lesbian Parents May Do Better Than Their Peers - TIME "they were surprised to discover that children in lesbian homes scored higher than kids in straight families on some psychological measures of self-esteem and confidence, did better academically and were less likely to have behavioral problems, such as rule-breaking and aggression." Let's just hope the lesbians don't take our kids away from us.
Were you going to start a petition to take kids away from single moms? I would like to review your manifesto before I sign up. I do have to agree with the kids from deviant familes though. You nailed that one.
The long-established, historical norm is father, mother and children. In this traditional, established, historical norm, societies flourish.
You must not know much history then.
"Traditional marriage" was present in societies robust and moribund.
Polygamy was present in societies robust and moribund.
Marriage + pederasty produced Greece - the foundational culture of Western civilization.
And most importantly, the extended family has been the most successful at producing well adjusted children because there's more adults around to supervise them while mom and dad go about their daily duties.
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You must not know much history then.
"Traditional marriage" was present in societies robust and moribund.
Polygamy was present in societies robust and moribund.
Marriage + pederasty produced Greece - the foundational culture of Western civilization.
And most importantly, the extended family has been the most successful at producing well adjusted children because there's more adults around to supervise them while mom and dad go about their daily duties.
Don't forget the tradition of wet-nurses and maids and nannies in many societies, acting in much the same way as an extended family does: working to raise children and supervise them while "mommy and daddy" tend to the world and win the bread, as it were. The idea of "extended families" producing well-adjusted and productive children can be expanded to them as well, for arguments sake. And that certainly doesn't fit the "Man + woman (in marriage) + children = [successful] family" motif - it extends it easily to man + woman + children + other helping adults = successful family.
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