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13th May 2012, 11:53 AM
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The fact that the party appealing to McCarthyism and pandering to the religious doesn't win at politics gives me hope for this country.
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13th May 2012, 05:51 PM
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Reps: 98,344,133,562,165,328 (power: 98,344,133,562,171) | | Originally Posted by TLK Valentine 
Read that as: "Would you rather I marry my daughter?" :S 
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13th May 2012, 05:59 PM
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Reps: 2,974,719,445,387,221 (power: 2,974,719,445,390) | | Originally Posted by Markusanthem What's wrong with marriage being only between a man and a woman?
This is the very foundation of the society we live in.
Man + woman (in marriage) + children = family
Man + man or woman + woman can never equal marriage or family.
The long-established, historical norm is father, mother and children. In this traditional, established, historical norm, societies flourish.
No one ever said that traditional marriage was a bad thing. It's about equal/civil rights. That's it.
That sort of question could go side by side with "What's wrong with allowing only men to vote?" Historical norm for the vast majority of democracies did not allow women to vote. "Historical norm" is never evidence/proof.
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13th May 2012, 11:05 PM
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Reps: 117,866,507,400,564,672 (power: 117,866,507,400,588) | | Unfortunately for the OP, support for gay marriage has been growing for some time: Half of Americans Support Legal Gay Marriage
Back in 96 (not long ago really) 67% oppossed gay marriage and only 27% supported.
Today Only 48% oppose and 50% support. The tide has turned, and from here on out, those oppossed to these equal rights will be the minority.
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13th May 2012, 11:10 PM
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Reps: 301,272,253,198,615,424 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Markusanthem What's wrong with marriage being only between a man and a woman?
This is the very foundation of the society we live in.
Man + woman (in marriage) + children = family
Man + man or woman + woman can never equal marriage or family.
The long-established, historical norm is father, mother and children. In this traditional, established, historical norm, societies flourish.
Single parents do poorly. Homosexual parents do poorly. Children of deviant families do poorly. So society suffers.
So, saying there are more than the one option equates to a "war" on that option in your mind?
Not to mention, of course, that man+woman=children=family, whether married or not. |
14th May 2012, 04:16 PM
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Reps: 45,447,209,828,130,232 (power: 45,447,209,828,136) | | Originally Posted by Paradoxum Read that as: "Would you rather I marry my daughter?" :S
No, see, that's the next step. First gay marriage, then incestual marriage. It's the perfect plan!
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14th May 2012, 04:45 PM
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Reps: 98,344,133,562,165,328 (power: 98,344,133,562,171) | | Originally Posted by Wayte No, see, that's the next step. First gay marriage, then incestual marriage. It's the perfect plan!
Naughty, naughty liberals 
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15th May 2012, 05:02 PM
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Reps: 20,222,134,010,003,644 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Leere No one ever said that traditional marriage was a bad thing. It's about equal/civil rights. That's it.
That sort of question could go side by side with "What's wrong with allowing only men to vote?" Historical norm for the vast majority of democracies did not allow women to vote. "Historical norm" is never evidence/proof.
No, it's not.
Marriage is a man and woman agreeing to a union where sex is involved and potentially babies. Marriage is consummated by sex.
No one is denying anyone the right to marry a man or a woman, which defines marriage. Every one has that equal civil right.
If someone is unnaturally attracted to a lamp post, a dog, or whatever, they do not have the right to redefine marriage as between a man and a dog/lamp post and enter in. A man has the right to marry a woman, regardless of what objects he is unnaturally attracted to.
If homosexuals want to do something that goes against the very laws of nature and have it be recognized by the state, they are going to have to come up with something else.  |
15th May 2012, 05:06 PM
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Reps: 100,609,197,234,398,480 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Markusanthem What's wrong with marriage being only between a man and a woman?
It systematically discriminates against an entire segment of the population for no valid reason. Originally Posted by Markusanthem This is the very foundation of the society we live in.
No, it isn't Originally Posted by Markusanthem Man + woman (in marriage) + children = family
I'm sure everyone who comes from a family where a parent isn't around due to death or divorce is thrilled to have people like you telling them they never had a family. God, what a sick thing to say. Originally Posted by Markusanthem Man + man or woman + woman can never equal marriage or family.
Why not? Originally Posted by Markusanthem The long-established, historical norm is father, mother and children. In this traditional, established, historical norm, societies flourish.
Proof? Originally Posted by Markusanthem Single parents do poorly.
Proof? Originally Posted by Markusanthem Homosexual parents do poorly.
Proof? Originally Posted by Markusanthem Children of deviant families do poorly.
Proof? Originally Posted by Markusanthem So society suffers.
Proof? Oh look, there isn't any proof. |
15th May 2012, 05:07 PM
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Reps: 100,609,197,234,398,480 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Markusanthem No, it's not.
Marriage is a man and woman agreeing to a union where sex is involved and potentially babies. Marriage is consummated by sex.
So infertile people can't get married, and marriage is all about sex? Have you been listening to Driscoll?  Originally Posted by Markusanthem No one is denying anyone the right to marry a man or a woman, which defines marriage. Every one has that equal civil right.
Except for homosexuals, according to you. Originally Posted by Markusanthem If someone is unnaturally attracted to a lamp post, a dog, or whatever, they do not have the right to redefine marriage as between a man and a dog/lamp post and enter in. A man has the right to marry a woman, regardless of what objects he is unnaturally attracted to.
This isn't a valid comparison. Originally Posted by Markusanthem If homosexuals want to do something that goes against the very laws of nature and have it be recognized by the state, they are going to have to come up with something else.
Homosexuality doesn't go against the laws of nature. Try again. | | |
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