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10th May 2012, 04:32 PM
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Reps: 2,161,329,351,706,487,040 (power: 2,161,329,351,706,491) | | Originally Posted by Crucible  For Bleeding heart first. I don't care what people think about what I'm saying one way or another. While I do not endorse gay marriage, I do see divorce about being such that when a heart is hardened and a mind is made up...then there you go. I personally have been through ups and downs, but divorce was NEVER on the table so you can rethink what you said on that. Its moot and vain.
Oddity, thank you for understanding and wisdom. Maybe you are correct about Romney, but how do I support a man who believes in false doctrine which also includes racism as doctrine when Jesus often used the word, "whosoever"?
I know its wrong to mix religion with politics, but the Bible is full of men who were both Pastors and politicians. I just want to be sure that I make a sound decision here and where better to find out who is who and how than a Christian forum?
Crucible, I must disagree with you. It's not wrong to mix politics and religion. It's wrong to deny God in any part of our lives. It's wrong for atheists to demand that you leave your God outside of your decision making while they fully embrace their godless worldview in the political arena, even demanding that WE adopt it any time we're involved in political decision making.  |
10th May 2012, 04:35 PM
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Reps: 77,804,261,751,696,096 (power: 77,804,261,751,717) | | Originally Posted by Crucible No. I am a Christian Minister long before I am anything else as I place God first. No one has a right to marry outside of what God intends. God created the Heavens and Earth. God created Man and Woman. There are a LOT of things I would be against, but to allow gay marriage is to call God a liar to his face and I'm not riding down that road. Not as a anything and that includes American.
I cannot make that vote in good conscience and continue my Call as a preacher. It would make me a hypocrite, liar, and Pharisee in my thinking. I cannot place man's law above God's so I won't.
Then you've got your answer. If there is no one on the ballot that meets your standards, leave it blank. Or write in someone's name. Or don't vote at all.
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10th May 2012, 04:39 PM
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Reps: 2,161,329,351,706,487,040 (power: 2,161,329,351,706,491) | | Originally Posted by Crucible No. I am a Christian Minister long before I am anything else as I place God first. No one has a right to marry outside of what God intends. God created the Heavens and Earth. God created Man and Woman. There are a LOT of things I would be against, but to allow gay marriage is to call God a liar to his face and I'm not riding down that road. Not as a anything and that includes American.
I cannot make that vote in good conscience and continue my Call as a preacher. It would make me a hypocrite, liar, and Pharisee in my thinking. I cannot place man's law above God's so I won't.
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Reps: 12,846,058,763,819,688 (power: 12,846,058,763,825) | | Originally Posted by childofGod1 Crucible, I must disagree with you. It's not wrong to mix politics and religion. It's wrong to deny God in any part of our lives. It's wrong for atheists to demand that you leave your God outside of your decision making while they fully embrace their godless worldview in the political arena, even demanding that WE adopt it any time we're involved in political decision making.
You are very correct. Thank you for the admonishment, I need it a lot. There are few that really understand this and of course it makes a simple decision such as voting very difficult when something new comes up. You probably know my disappointment very well.
This thing (Politics) is getting very unGodly and just a little alarming. AirPo may have a point. I may have to leave the ballot blank. |
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Reps: 77,804,261,751,696,096 (power: 77,804,261,751,717) | | Originally Posted by Crucible You are very correct. Thank you for the admonishment, I need it a lot. There are few that really understand this and of course it makes a simple decision such as voting very difficult when something new comes up. You probably know my disappointment very well.
This thing (Politics) is getting very unGodly and just a little alarming. AirPo may have a point. I may have to leave the ballot blank.
Do you ever see the movie "Brewster's Millions"? Richard Pryor runs a campaign "Vote for none of the above." And he almost wins! 
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10th May 2012, 04:55 PM
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Reps: 18,946,588,070,481,256 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Crucible No. I am a Christian Minister long before I am anything else as I place God first. No one has a right to marry outside of what God intends. God created the Heavens and Earth. God created Man and Woman. There are a LOT of things I would be against, but to allow gay marriage is to call God a liar to his face and I'm not riding down that road. Not as a anything and that includes American.
I cannot make that vote in good conscience and continue my Call as a preacher. It would make me a hypocrite, liar, and Pharisee in my thinking. I cannot place man's law above God's so I won't.
Ah, I thought you might have had a legitimate well thought-out reason for why you changed your mind about Obama...but it turned out it was just about 'teh ghez' after all.
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Reps: 38,606,663,309,400,088 (power: 38,606,663,309,416) | | Originally Posted by Crucible Not anymore. As a Christian and Minister there is no way. While I still think most things against him are conspiracy theories and lunacy. He will NOT be getting my vote.
Now I'm in an odd space as I will NOT be voting Romney either.
Any help here?
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Reps: 12,846,058,763,819,688 (power: 12,846,058,763,825) | | Originally Posted by Defensor Fidei Ah, I thought you might have had a legitimate well thought-out reason for why you changed your mind about Obama...but it turned out it was just about 'teh ghez' after all.
Nothing to see here...
Well to think its something to do with "teh ghez" makes me wonder what you think this is really all about. Do you know, or are you just sarcastic through and through? |
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Reps: 18,946,588,070,481,256 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Crucible Well to think its something to do with "teh ghez" makes me wonder what you think this is really all about. Do you know, or are you just sarcastic through and through?
Well yeah, I know that that is what this is all about, the OP just admitted as much. Disappointing considering there were a 1,001 valid reasons one might have abandoned the Obama ship long before he announced his support for same-sex marriage. |
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Romney is far from perfect but he is not trying to strong arm the Catholic church. He is not trying to cause strife and class warfare. And he does not have 3 years as a failed president under his belt either.
America is going down the toilet in every way imaginable. One thing Mitt has going for him is he is a business man. And right now, in this particular time and place, America needs a man with good business sense to get us out of the financial mess we are in.
Obama has a clear plan, as he himself said while running in 2008 " to fundamentally change America " , he has done just that. He has spent double in 3 years what George Bush spent in 8 years. And what do we have to show for it ? As a Christian man I would cut off my hands before I voted for Obama after seeing him in action for 3 + years .
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