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25th May 2012, 01:56 PM
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Reps: 543,462,673,807,514 (power: 543,462,673,809) | | i have been extremely inflexible for most of my life. the last few years i started switching my diet to include a lot more raw fruits and veggies. this have greatly lessened the amount of time i need to recover from workouts. also, eating fruit immediately upon cessation of exercise really has helped with recovery.
in these last few years my flexibility is getting better and better, and i really think it has a lot to do with my diet, because i tried before and did not really improve much. like you, i am finally getting close to the splits and straddles, and this is something i have never been able to do in my life...and now getting close (as an adult)...i am just amazed.
here is a video i made a while back of stretches i do before and after workouts...i guess for someone who does yoga these are probably nothing but they really helped me improve bit by bit to where i am now, so maybe they can help someone else.
oh i guess i can't post the link. my youtube channel is "healthyskinnybeauty" and i have a fitness playlist.
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11th June 2012, 08:33 PM
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Reps: 256,523 (power: 264) | | Originally Posted by tashaleeministry i have been extremely inflexible for most of my life. the last few years i started switching my diet to include a lot more raw fruits and veggies. this have greatly lessened the amount of time i need to recover from workouts. also, eating fruit immediately upon cessation of exercise really has helped with recovery.
in these last few years my flexibility is getting better and better, and i really think it has a lot to do with my diet, because i tried before and did not really improve much. like you, i am finally getting close to the splits and straddles, and this is something i have never been able to do in my life...and now getting close (as an adult)...i am just amazed. Hello, and thanks for replying. Truly, i'm to the point where i am getting frustrated.. My flexibility is improving far to slow for my patience. I eat lots of organic fruits and veggies daily and i remain very sore every single day of my life because of my workouts and Kungfu training. I also buy amazing grass organic supplements, raw reserved organic super foods and take it on a daily bases. I am now taking MSM with glucosamine hydrochloride, and what do you know, i still get super sore and my flexibility has improved very little in the past month. Seems that my flexibility was improving at a rapid rate when i first started stretching specially after the first 2 months. The past three months i feel it has improved very slowly and i am frustrated as can be here is a video i made a while back of stretches i do before and after workouts...i guess for someone who does yoga these are probably nothing but they really helped me improve bit by bit to where i am now, so maybe they can help someone else.  I saw your aerobic warmups. In Kungfu, our warmups are very different. I am going to try warming up like you do and then get to stretching. Your warmup seems far less frustrating than Kungfu really.. oh i guess i can't post the link. well it is healthyskinnybeautiful.com and click on "fitness videos". Thanks a million for the link. I am going to put some of the things i learn from you into practice. I am losing my patience with all of this but i don't believe in quitting. If you have any other ideas on how to get more flexible rapidly please share it with me.
Blessings.
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11th June 2012, 09:31 PM
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hmmm...some other thoughts to consider:
one thing I have learned recently is that it is so important to rest. the more we exercise, the more rest we require. kenyan marathon runners train for 4 hours a day and then are horizontal for 20 hours in the peak of their training season.
eating fruit right after exercise is really helpful...but also resting enough so the body can re-build what has been torn in the workouts...if we keep tearing down and not allowing the body enough time to re-build, we won't see positive results. do you sleep 12 hours per night? or lie in bed that long? most people have no idea how much sleep they really need because they use stimulants like coffee and soda, or even sugar, to get through the day.
if you can fall back asleep when you wake up in the morning, your body needs more sleep...
drinking lots of water is important too...and avoiding eating and drinking things that acidify our bodies--which happens with just about everything except raw fruits and veggies. | 
12th June 2012, 04:19 PM
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Reps: 256,523 (power: 264) | | Originally Posted by tashaleeministry so glad you were able to get some ideas that might be helpful!
hmmm...some other thoughts to consider:
one thing I have learned recently is that it is so important to rest. the more we exercise, the more rest we require. kenyan marathon runners train for 4 hours a day and then are horizontal for 20 hours in the peak of their training season. I imagined they trained that hard. Those people run for miles without tiring. eating fruit right after exercise is really helpful...but also resting enough so the body can re-build what has been torn in the workouts...if we keep tearing down and not allowing the body enough time to re-build, we won't see positive results. do you sleep 12 hours per night? or lie in bed that long? No, i sleep 6 to 8 hours when i come from work at 5Am and on my three days off i sleep another 8hrs at night.. Sundays are my really bad days at work since its a 15hr shift and i still manage to get at least 6hrs of sleep from 5Am to about 11Am or 12pm. By 2 O'clock i have to be at work and i don't get out until 5Am again. I think for the most part i do get pretty good sleep. most people have no idea how much sleep they really need because they use stimulants like coffee and soda, or even sugar, to get through the day. I didn't realize coffee was so bad, specially the ones they sell with Ganoderma which is a very healthy herb. Further research has lead me to conclude that coffee is terrible whether it contains Ganoderma or not for those of us who are trying to acquire more range of motion from our training.. Coffee makes us stiffer and when stretching it becomes much easier to tear something. Let me not even speak about how awful sodas can be, not only for range of motion, but for over all health and weight as well.. I believe soda to be the #1 contributer in today's unhealthy and obesit people. Soda is like a drug to most. Some people say they hate water and can only drink soda or fruit juice. I can't deny the fact that fruit juices are just as bad not only because of the amount of sugar they contain, but also because of the kind of cheap sugar it has in it. High Fructose Corn Syrup is nothing to toy with. I don't understand why people resort to these types of unhealthy processed fast foods filled with preservatives when the healthy ones are so much better tasting and healthier.. if you can fall back asleep when you wake up in the morning, your body needs more sleep...
drinking lots of water is important too...and avoiding eating and drinking things that acidify our bodies--which happens with just about everything except raw fruits and veggies.  Alkalinity is something far to important for me. For the most part, i buy Organic foods, it is only the few fruits that i cannot find Organic that i am forced to buy none Organic. For instance, i cannot find Guanabana that is Organic, i think it is Soursop in English if i am not mistaken. Well, in Spanish we call that fruit a natural chemotherapy for cancer patients.. Why can i not find this fruit Organic in Florida.. I shy from buying it most of the times because i cannot find it Organic. I drink plenty of water as well. Like i said before, i am also taking MSM with Glucosamine Hydrochloride and. This has strengthen my right knee a great deal. I suffer from iliotibial band syndrome on my right knee and the MSM and Glucosamine have strengthen my right knee so much to the point where i do not feel any discomfort when training. Usually my knee would swell after training and sprinting, that is not happening any longer ever since i started taking MSM with Glucosamine. I am still not satisfied with the slow gains in flexibility.. Is there something i might be doing wrong? I also take the many super foods our body needs for recovery in a supplement ones daily called Amazing grass raw reserved.
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12th June 2012, 06:11 PM
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Reps: 543,462,673,807,514 (power: 543,462,673,809) | | wow, so funny! someone just mentioned that to me about guanabana and soursop the other day.  i am in florida too--south florida. maybe we are neighbors!
i am not sure what else i can tell you...i just try to do the basics...fresh air, enough sleep, rest/relaxation, vitamin D, pure water, etc.
for me, diet has been the biggest factor in my changes. what do you typically eat in a day?
i think also since changing my diet i have been much more in tune with my body and much better able to "listen to it". so if it is tired, i rest. in the past, i trained anyway.
oh here's something...the simpler we eat, the less our body has to spend energy on digesting and the more it can spend energy on healing (and re-building what is torn down). so i often eat mono-meals (one type of fruit, like 5 bananas is my meal). i feel a lot more energetic and like things heal faster the simpler i eat.
i used to have IT band syndrome. i remember how glucosamine helped for it. now i try to do low-impact stuff. i think i burned out my knees playing soccer for many years and then aggravated my knee with tight hamstrings and imbalances in my muscles. i am very conservative with exercise now because i don't want to get knee replacements like so many of my soccer and running friends...some with disastrous results. it is odd since i have had to re-think everything i have believed my whole life...resting instead of overdoing, listening to my body, being conservative and moderate.
i read a book from health101.org called "Avoiding degenerative disease" and it is one of the best books i have ever read. i learned so much in there and it jived so much with my experience yet was contrary to popularly-held teachings on a lot of things...and backed by research that is not popular. one of the results was that i really questioned what i was doing as a personal trainer/group exercise instructor...now studying holistic nutrition and natural healing. | 
13th June 2012, 04:32 PM
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Reps: 256,523 (power: 264) | | Originally Posted by tashaleeministry wow, so funny! someone just mentioned that to me about guanabana and soursop the other day.  i am in florida too--south florida. maybe we are neighbors!  How funny lol. I live in South Florida as well.. I actually live in Hialeah Gardens Florida.. I go to a school called Kungfu Connections located in North Miami. It has helped me a lot these past six months in making changes in my life for the better.. i am not sure what else i can tell you...i just try to do the basics...fresh air, enough sleep, rest/relaxation, vitamin D, pure water, etc. I do these. I take 1000 mil daily of Vitamin D. for me, diet has been the biggest factor in my changes. what do you typically eat in a day? I think you are right. I imagine if i wasn't dieting what a disaster i would be.. If i'm dieting and i'm in pain i imagine if i did not diet what would be of me? Truth is i changed my diet 6 months ago when i chose to start Kungfu so i really don't know what would be of me if i had continued in my old ways lol. i think also since changing my diet i have been much more in tune with my body and much better able to "listen to it". so if it is tired, i rest. in the past, i trained anyway. Today i came from work at 5am as always. I woke up at 2pm sleeping 9hrs. I'm going to KungFu at 6:45pm and i will sleep tonight again. I was told to stretch everyday in Kungfu. I for some reason love to feel a stretch and the soreness that comes from it, because if i don't, i feel as if i am not doing anything. Is this the correct approach? Say, maybe i can ask a question that your answer may provide tremendous insights.. I stretch six days a week twice or even three times daily for the most part. I've been told in Kungfu that you are suppose to stretch everyday. However, i do not know with how much intensity i am suppose to stretch everyday and how often. Neither do i know if it's a good idea to stretch the same muscles everyday. I pretty much try to stretch my whole body daily but i will attack my most inflexible muscles vehemently on a daily bases. Maybe i just don't know what in the world am i doing. The only thing i am clear on is that you need to synchronize your breathing, ones you exhale you can try and go a bit further. I've tried to research over the internet if it is necessary to stretch the same muscles everyday or work on different muscles daily but nothing comes up explaining that. oh here's something...the simpler we eat, the less our body has to spend energy on digesting and the more it can spend energy on healing (and re-building what is torn down). so i often eat mono-meals (one type of fruit, like 5 bananas is my meal). i feel a lot more energetic and like things heal faster the simpler i eat. I love bananas. I cannot buy them here because they will not make it past one day. Bananas is my favorite fruit dating till i was a child. I try to eat very simple. MSM and Glucosamine seem to heal me pretty well. I just think my workout are probably to intense maybe. i used to have IT band syndrome. i remember how glucosamine helped for it. now i try to do low-impact stuff. i think i burned out my knees playing soccer for many years and then aggravated my knee with tight hamstrings and imbalances in my muscles. i am very conservative with exercise now because i don't want to get knee replacements like so many of my soccer and running friends...some with disastrous results. it is odd since i have had to re-think everything i have believed my whole life...resting instead of overdoing, listening to my body, being conservative and moderate. How funny.. You and i got the same injury for the same reasons. TIGHT HAMSTRINGS lol. When i first started stretching on January i could not even reach my knees on a hamstring stretch. Heck, on a sit and reach stretch i could not even keep my back straight without feeling extreme pain in my hamstrings. I usually couldn't take the pain and my back would force me to fall backwards. In other words, i could not sit comfortably in a 90 degree angle without feeling extreme pain. Now no one can get any more pathetic than that can they? I sprained my knees and ankles all the time playing basket ball with younger kids. I trained martial arts with a friend two years ago and on one encounter when sparring i naturally just fell on my right knee for no apparent reason. The guy didn't even touch me. I was in extreme pain. ever since that injury my right knee has been very weak. MSM and Glucosamine have done the job though. I truly recommend MSM really! Do some research on MSM.. It has tremendous health benefits.. i read a book from health101.org called "Avoiding degenerative disease" and it is one of the best books i have ever read. i learned so much in there and it jived so much with my experience yet was contrary to popularly-held teachings on a lot of things...and backed by research that is not popular. one of the results was that i really questioned what i was doing as a personal trainer/group exercise instructor...now studying holistic nutrition and natural healing.  I am one that loves to read too. I am going to have to read this book you are recommending for sure.
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13th June 2012, 09:33 PM
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i am learning that what i was taught in sports and fitness pursuits...well, it might not be the best thing for my body...as my injuries and such should indicate to me. overdoing it, etc. definitely i would suggest reading Don's book...though you may not like what he has to say about exercise...it is not popular. 
i listen to my body, don't stretch to the point of pain, and ask God when i am sore if i need to just skip that day and let my body recover or if i should do something. God knows best...He created our bodies. | 
13th June 2012, 10:12 PM
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__________________ Prov 7:1-3
1My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee.
2Keep my commandments and live, and my law as the apple of thine eye.
3Bind them upon thy fingers; write them upon the tablet of thine heart. | 
13th June 2012, 10:46 PM
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as a fitness professional, i would say it is important to warm up before exercising and cool-down afterward. stretching is important for flexibility and a great time to stretch (the whole body) is after muscles are warmed up from a workout. stretching cold muscles can strain them. (i have hurt myself stretching cold muscles.)
stretch 3-5 times a week for flexibility.
the above is what i can tell you as a professional.
personally, i like to stretch after exercising so that my muscles don't get too tight. when i recently injured my hip, it was from overdoing my exercise and all the muscles were very tight. so when that happened, i was stretching every time i felt pain, which was quite often during the day. the muscles have slowly loosened up and i have been stretching much less frequently. i hit every muscle group when i stretch, but spend some extra time on areas that feel tight when i stretch them.
from what you are saying it sounds like there is a possibility you could be overdoing it on stretching, but i really don't know. stretching to pain is not good. going slow is good, breathing is good. listening to your body is good. i never realized that stretching took so much work, but when i got injured and stretched so much during the day, i saw that it really does. if things feel tight, stretch. i don't know that flexibility for the sake of super-flexibility is that great. i stretch so that i don't have pain from tightness, and have progressed to more flexibility. but it is possible to be overly flexible and then hurt oneself.
i personally find myself getting more flexible because i feel "tight" so i stretch to where things don't feel "tight" anymore...and day by day, i have to stretch further to not feel "tight" as i get more flexible. it is interesting. i don't push myself just to reach a flexibility goal--that does not seem safe to me, and i am all about avoiding injury. i just stretch to where i feel "better" and not tight. hope that makes sense. | 
27th June 2012, 07:08 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by YeshuamySalvation Only three months back i began taking Kungfu classes.
The interest it sparked was to work on becoming more flexible.
Mind you, when i first began taking classes i was embarrassed,
i was having trouble raising my leg 2 inches of the ground when side kicking.
It's been 3 months now and i'm still having trouble reaching my toes.
I want to be able to touch my toes without putting any effort and i feel i should have been there by now.
i am still displeased with the fact that i have no hip mobility while i'm on the split.
What really frustrates me - every part of the body that i stretch is always pretty sore, with no recovery. i've been ignoring it and working through pain.
Is stretching and becoming flexible really this hard?
In my youth i was a weight lifter and i remember being very successful at everything i wanted to accomplish
Hello,
What do you mean in my youth?
since you last were "very successful at everything i wanted to accomplish", how have you kept limber?
Also a weight-lifter uses much different muscles, than Hip-flexibility.
Too, you should never! push yourself to the point of pain;
asking for complications, you may already have.
familiar with Evgeni Plushenko? world's greatest single-men's Figureskater (a triple Olympic medalist). Well, he practiced... until he too (just like the Sasha Cohen: greatest single-women's Figureskater) owned the Biehlmann spiral:
skate on one foot, & pull the Free-foot above your head in a vertical Split, like this:
1. Sasha Cohen (Art on Ice 2010) | photoya.de
and
2. Anaïs Morand & Antoine Dorsaz (Art on Ice 2010) | photoya.de
This position I held too last year in my skates,
off the ice as learning balance for this while moving...
and
in this of Evgeni's Best performances, watch him skate the Biehlmann at 3 mins.:
If you are experiencing pain, STOP - and ask a Physical therapist, or Sports Massage therapist
to show you correct ways of stretching... like the PSOAS-muscle.
Remember: Always warm up before exercising and cool-down afterward.
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