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4th May 2012, 07:22 PM
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Reps: 311,424,371,489,518,400 (power: 311,424,371,489,523) | | Originally Posted by 2 know him  Is there none that will take up the challenge to argue the points made in this link? Paul the false apostle
Good brother, just because they asked for it doesn't make governments rule from God.
Harry3142, to be a Christian is to follow the teachings of Christ. Paul is not Christ, neither is John, James, Peter, or Jude. As for those books being inspired I have my opinions about that but that does not define Christianity. What is obvious is that 2 Peter was not written from Peter and Jude and 2 Peter are based upon writings that are questionable best and not accepted inspired writings from most Jewish prospectives.
Butch5, try reading the link Paul the false apostle you might clearly see evidence which challenges the Apostleship of Paul and then we can talk.
ptomwebster, Paul never physically knew Jesus, and Luke was a gentile that was most likely a convert of Paul: since the Real Apostles barely had any ministry outside the Jews. So Luke only had Paul's word of events: regarding his conversion experience. While Paul may or may not have had a meeting with Jesus nowhere is he called an Apostle by anyone other then himself or Luke (most likely his own convert).
Maybe we can move forward to discussing the information from the following link Paul the false apostle .
You want me to debate an article? Why don't you present the evidence and we can discuss it? I guess if you're going to call Paul a false apostle you'd have to say the same for Peter, are willing to make that statement?  |
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by OpenDoor I recognize Paul as a true Apostle of the Lord, and the gospel Paul preached is that gospel of Jesus Christ. One that I am not ashamed to follow.
Dear opendoor, The gospel of Jesus was and is found in the teachings that Jesus taught and Paul did not propagate those teachings in his writings and most of his writings barely have any simulation to the teachings that Jesus propagated. On the other hand many of Paul's writings did not show submission to the teachings Jesus taught, like when Paul stated 2Ti 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.
And this is only the beginning of controversies between Paul's actions and Jesus.
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4th May 2012, 07:29 PM
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And account that the long suffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you
2 Peter 3:15
Peter considered Paul to have written Scripture.
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2 Peter 3:16
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Reps: 311,424,371,489,518,400 (power: 311,424,371,489,523) | | Originally Posted by 2 know him Dear opendoor, The gospel of Jesus was and is found in the teachings that Jesus taught and Paul did not propagate those teachings in his writings and most of his writings barely have any simulation to the teachings that Jesus propagated. On the other hand many of Paul's writings did not show submission to the teachings Jesus taught, like when Paul stated 2Ti 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.
And this is only the beginning of controversies between Paul's actions and Jesus.
Didn't Jesus call the Pharisees a brood of vipers and ask how they would not be cast into hell?
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4th May 2012, 07:32 PM
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Since Luke, Mark, and Mathew are known as the synoptic gospels does that mean the author of that site only considered the Gospel according to John as true?
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I will boast only in the LORD;
let all who are helpless take heart.
Come, let us tell of the LORD’S greatness;
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Psalm 34:1-3
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4th May 2012, 07:34 PM
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John
Hebrews (some people say Paul wrote this also)
James
1 John
2 John
3 John
Jude
Revelation
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I will praise the LORD at all times.
I will constantly speak His praises.
I will boast only in the LORD;
let all who are helpless take heart.
Come, let us tell of the LORD’S greatness;
let us exalt His name together.
Psalm 34:1-3
one Lord, one faith, one baptism |
4th May 2012, 07:35 PM
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E.g. matthew 7:15-20
Jesus said that those who don't bear good fruit will be thrown into the fire. Are you going to admit that Jesus was being (righteously) judgemental there? http://www.gty.org/resources/study-g...counterfeiters |
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Reps: 38,279,442,462,660,400 (power: 38,279,442,462,662) | | Originally Posted by 2 know him Dear opendoor, The gospel of Jesus was and is found in the teachings that Jesus taught and Paul did not propagate those teachings in his writings and most of his writings barely have any simulation to the teachings that Jesus propagated. On the other hand many of Paul's writings did not show submission to the teachings Jesus taught, like when Paul stated 2Ti 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.
And this is only the beginning of controversies between Paul's actions and Jesus.
Maybe your misunderstanding is based on the English version of the Bible you quote from. The NIV version translates this verse in 2 Tim 4:14 & 15 as,
Alexander the metalworker did me a great deal of harm. The Lord will repay him for what he has done. You too should be on your guard against him, because he strongly opposed our message.
Paul is stating a fact, NOT a threat or thought of malice. He simply knew the law of Sowing and Reaping.
Matthew 5:44 was showing how Jesus dealt with a social problem within the Jewish community. The key is verse 33, which He corrected, and goes on to explain why. Tell me what problem(s) you find in 1 Cor 13, aside from the fact that is was written by Paul?
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | Which Government has been from God? Al-kida? Hitlers? Nero's? Bush's? Etheopia's? I guess all and oll the leaders of all those governments were ministers of God's too I guess. NONSENSE.
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Christ's teaching is not generally understood in its true, simple, and direct sense even in these days... One of these causes is the fact that believers and unbelievers alike are firmly persuaded that they have understood Christ's teaching a long time... that it can have no other significance than the one they attribute to it... Even the strongest current of water cannot add a drop to a cup which is already full.
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Reps: 38,279,442,462,660,400 (power: 38,279,442,462,662) | | Originally Posted by 2 know him Which Government has been from God? Al-kida? Hitlers? Nero's? Bush's? Etheopia's? I guess all and oll the leaders of all those governments were ministers of God's too I guess. NONSENSE.
Being facetious is NOT going to help.
Jesus NEVER condemned the government of the day.
He even supported slavery...so is Jesus off your Christmas card list now as well?
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