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The Results Are In: Conservative States Prosper, While Liberal States Decline

The Results Are In: Conservative States Prosper, While Liberal States Decline

The only problem is that some move here and then want to enact the same policies that drove them off.

At least some of them get it.
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Originally Posted by Rion View Post
The Results Are In: Conservative States Prosper, While Liberal States Decline

The only problem is that some move here and then want to enact the same policies that drove them off.

At least some of them get it.
Oh lord.

There's a really tricky word used in the article. It's the word "growth". So instead of looking at actual GDP per capita, it looks at change.

so what does the ACTUAL GDP per capita look like across the 50 states?

List of U.S. states by GDP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Make sure you sort by GDP per capita.

Then just take a look at the top 10 states and the bottom 10 states. Then assign a red or blue color to them.
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Yes, yes, and the whole moving thing, totally a non-issue, right?
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Originally Posted by Grizzly View Post
Oh lord.

There's a really tricky word used in the article. It's the word "growth". So instead of looking at actual GDP per capita, it looks at change.

so what does the ACTUAL GDP per capita look like across the 50 states?

List of U.S. states by GDP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Make sure you sort by GDP per capita.
Hmm ... me wonders about GDP now.

District of Columbia GDP = $174,500 per person

The next highest is Delaware GDP = $69,667 per person


One logical conclusion one might reach is that the entire country needs to emulate whatever it is that is happening in Washington, D.C.

Another would be that GDP doesn't necessarily mean what it appears to.
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Most red states have their state budgets heavily subsidized by money coming from blue states. The appearance of gain or decline is really just a redistribution of weath. Funny that the right applauds redistribution when it makes their policies appear valid. Of course, the reality is that their policies work fine as long as someone else can foot the bill.
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Oooh. Check out this list of the most and least tax friendly states!

Tax Friendly States

Check out the least tax friendly states in the union (I've listed the 10 least friendly states in order). In parens, I have put their state GDP ranking per capita).

1) New Jersey (8th)
2) New York (7th)
3) Connecticut (4th)
4) Maryland (13th)
5) Hawaii (18th)
6) California (12th)
7) Ohio (33rd)
8) Vermont (30th)
9) Wisconsin (29th)
10) Rhode Island (26th)

I mean check this out. These the the top 10 WORST states for tax friendliness. Yet none of them are at the bottom - in fact most of them are above average in GDP.
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Originally Posted by Rion View Post
Yes, yes, and the whole moving thing, totally a non-issue, right?
It's misleading.
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Most red states have their state budgets heavily subsidized by money coming from blue states. The appearance of gain or decline is really just a redistribution of weath. Funny that the right applauds redistribution when it makes their policies appear valid. Of course, the reality is that their policies work fine as long as someone else can foot the bill.
So true

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Originally Posted by NightHawkeye View Post

One logical conclusion one might reach is that the entire country needs to emulate whatever it is that is happening in Washington, D.C.

Another would be that GDP doesn't necessarily mean what it appears to.
Or maybe there is a third option? Maybe DC because its so small and not actually a state, that its GDP estimate means something different?

Don't through out the baby with the bathwater, NHE. If GDP doesn't mean what it appears to, then most of the argument from the OP is null and void.
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Federal subsidies might be helping a bit with those growth figures:


And since the above data is 7 yrs old, here's a more recent bit showing the trend continuing: http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/...d_america.html

edit: For the record I have no issue with wealthy states subsidizing less-wealthy states, since they are all part of the same system and deserve support even if their contributions to society don't earn as much cash. This policy does go against conservative economic principles, however.
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