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2nd May 2012, 12:38 AM
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Reps: 13,391,384,424,600,182 (power: 13,391,384,424,606) | | Originally Posted by NightHawkeye  Yeah, didn't think you'd like that ... but I do, LOL.
Exhibit 2, then: Articles: Why Is Observing Obama as a Marxist Verboten?Obama exploits the citizenry's concerted blindness, cloaking his views under veneers of "social justice," "fairness," and "progress." Unadulterated Marxism attracts few votes. In rare candor, sans teleprompter, Obama lectured Joe the Plumber that his prescription for widespread prosperity is "spreading the wealth around."
Before catapulting to prominence, the president complained that thanks to constraints instituted by our Founders, "The Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice." Obama's justice ensures not that transactions are freely entered and fairly measured, but that bureaucrats enforce results fancied per the fluttering fashions of political correctness.
You do realize, hopefully, that "fundamental transformation", "social justice" and "redistribution of wealth" are Marxist fundamentals?
But they are not ideas exclusive to Marxism. And nothing Obama has done in office amounts to a "fundamental transformation" of ANYTHING, nor has he brought about "social justice" in any way, and he sure hasn't done any "redistribution of wealth" whatsoever.
As I've said many times, Obama talks a lot about progressive ideas, but he hasn't followed through on any of them.
And, by the way, "spreading the wealth around" is very much a capitalist idea. In fact, it's what capitalism is all about! People spread their wealth around by buying things and using services.
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Reps: 1,746,669,501,147,489,024 (power: 1,746,669,501,147,503) | | Originally Posted by A2SG But they are not ideas exclusive to Marxism. And nothing Obama has done in office amounts to a "fundamental transformation" of ANYTHING, nor has he brought about "social justice" in any way, and he sure hasn't done any "redistribution of wealth" whatsoever.
As I've said many times, Obama talks a lot about progressive ideas, but he hasn't followed through on any of them.
And, by the way, "spreading the wealth around" is very much a capitalist idea. In fact, it's what capitalism is all about! People spread their wealth around by buying things and using services.
-- A2SG, so...what else ya got?
He grew up surrounded by Marxists, he associated with Marxists by choice in college and surrounded himself with Marxists after becoming president?
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2nd May 2012, 12:45 AM
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Reps: 21,142,423,111,673,436 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by NightHawkeye Help me understand then. You claim to be a right-of-center moderate. What does that mean? Seriously. Do you have any core beliefs? If so, what are they?
Thanks.
...what makes you ask an obvious question like that? |
2nd May 2012, 12:46 AM
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Reps: 21,142,423,111,673,436 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by NightHawkeye He grew up surrounded by Marxists, he associated with Marxists by choice in college and surrounded himself with Marxists after becoming president?
I grew up surrounded by Muslims, Christians, and Atheists. Does that make me a Muslim, Christian, or Atheist? |
2nd May 2012, 12:48 AM
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Reps: 13,391,384,424,600,182 (power: 13,391,384,424,606) | | Originally Posted by SPB1987 This basically sums it up. I am not a liberal in the sense that I have an unwaivering support of unions or massive welfare programs. I do support gay marriage and tend to be pro-choice(I hate the idea of abortion but seeing as how I am not a woman I to not pretend to understand what goes in to making that decision), support the death penalty, drug testing for welfare recipients, welfare reform(make it harder to obtain and to stay on) and well I think you get the general idea.
Then we're not all that different, you and I. I support the idea of unions, to the point where I consider unions necessary, although I do acknowledge that, in actual practice, they don't always do the job they're supposed to do as they should (but, really, who does?); I support the social safety net, but it does need to be reformed substantially, and managed much better than it has been; we agree on same-sex marriage and abortion (almost in perfect step there), but we do disagree on the death penalty and drug testing. As to welfare reform, my ideas on that can be quite extensive, and would probably require an entire thread all to themselves, so let's suffice to say I agree the present system doesn't work very well, and needs to be changed significantly. The basic goal of welfare needs to be to get people off of it, and needs things like job training, education and placement as necessary components.
See, if people like you and me ran the government, we could get things done. I think we could see enough in common to do a lot of good out there!
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2nd May 2012, 12:50 AM
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Reps: 13,391,384,424,600,182 (power: 13,391,384,424,606) | | Originally Posted by NightHawkeye He grew up surrounded by Marxists, he associated with Marxists by choice in college and surrounded himself with Marxists after becoming president?
Even if true, so what? I count among my friends a card-carrying member of the Communist party and a Republican NRA member. I'm neither of those.
He still hasn't done a single thing in office to promote a single marxist goal.
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Reps: 1,746,669,501,147,489,024 (power: 1,746,669,501,147,503) | | Originally Posted by SmellsLikeCurlyFries ...what makes you ask an obvious question like that?
LOL ... if it were obvious, I wouldn't have asked the question.
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Reps: 1,746,669,501,147,489,024 (power: 1,746,669,501,147,503) | | Originally Posted by A2SG Even if true, so what? I count among my friends a card-carrying member of the Communist party and a Republican NRA member. I'm neither of those.
He still hasn't done a single thing in office to promote a single marxist goal.
-- A2SG, except maybe Groucho.....
Thank you, TEA party election 2010.
Except ... same have argued that ObamaCare is die-hard socialist legislation.
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Rev 19:9-10 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. |
2nd May 2012, 01:14 AM
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Reps: 13,391,384,424,600,182 (power: 13,391,384,424,606) | | Originally Posted by NightHawkeye Thank you, TEA party election 2010.
How so? What communist ideas has Obama tried to put through Congress that the Tea Party has managed to halt? The Jobs bill that was mostly recycled GOP ideas? Continuing the entirety of the Bush tax cuts? Except ... same have argued that ObamaCare is die-hard socialist legislation.
That will, I'm sure, come as quite a surprise to the GOP, who first proposed virtually the exact same thing back in 1993!
But, go ahead. What about Obamacare is "die-hard socialist legislation"? And please, be specific.
-- A2SG, after all, the blueprint for Obamacare, and the 1993 GOP plan it is virtually identical to, came from that bastian of socialism and marxism the Heritage Foundation..... | | |
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