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I have a high regard for Catholicism, the religion of my birth. I wish Vatican II had never happened. Had it not occurred, 90% chance I'd be at Mass every Sunday. I think that's true of all the Catholic converts to Orthodoxy that I know. But despite my disagreements with many Catholic approaches and teachings and the liturgy, I love so much about it and refuse to jump on anti-Catholic or "I'm a recovering Catholic" mentalities. That bugs me. When I hear Orthodox diss the CC, I don't like it at all anymore than how my Catholic friends diss Anglicans, etc. We all need to pray for each other! Lord have mercy! Originally Posted by fhansen  I know. And I still feel that together they make up the one Church. |
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Reps: 29,681,098,289,364,560 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Michie One thing I've noticed since converting is that people find it very difficult to walk away from Catholicism. I see more people stay that seem miserable & just go through the motions than leave. Or... trying to change the Church from the inside.
On the other hand, in my protestant days people left their Church all the time. Either in search of another Church that suited them or just a stay at home lone ranger Christian.
Why is that? 
For those who are steeped in Catholicism,it is a bit like your family,in that you share the the
'same genes 'etc.
We have evolved as we are, because we are Catholic ,which touched a deeper place than any
previous influence, on our hearts and minds. However those who have 'evolved' ,to know the
Holy Spirit ,need to be allowed to make our own relationship with God ,as 'adults',and the
church does not allow for that , or rather maybe DID NOT .
I have one thing where I diverge from the church ,and that is over reincarnation. I have been
before like others who remember.
There is an assumption on the part of those who do not experience this ,that it is like
buddhism or what ,and that there is no end to the cycles. But there is .
It ends with belief in Jesus. 
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Reps: 550,209,461,662,961,920 (power: 550,209,461,662,988) | | Originally Posted by underheaven We have evolved as we are because we are Catholic ,which touched a deeper place than any previous influence on our hearts and minds. However those who have 'evolved' ,to know the Holy Spirit need to be allowed to make out own relationship with God as 'adults',and the church does not allow for that ,
or maybe rather DID NOT.
When I was a little girl in Catholic school (late 1950's, early 1960's) the nuns used to say that when we were grown we would reach a "mature faith." I took that to mean (and still do) that we would ruminate over everything we'd been taught and assimilate it in a way that made sense to us.
And that's exactly what I think I have done (and when I read Hans Kung and Joan Chittister on the Creed, I think that that's what they've done, too.)
And I even think that, underneath their habits, that's what the Sisters that taught us did.
Isn't that what personal faith is? It may be the best kept secret in the Catholic Church. It may be what everybody is afraid to talk about. But I am certain it exists in the hearts of many and even most Catholics.
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28th April 2012, 11:48 AM
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I have a high regard for Catholicism, the religion of my birth. I wish Vatican II had never happened. Had it not occurred, 90% chance I'd be at Mass every Sunday. I think that's true of all the Catholic converts to Orthodoxy that I know. But despite my disagreements with many Catholic approaches and teachings and the liturgy, I love so much about it and refuse to jump on anti-Catholic or "I'm a recovering Catholic" mentalities. That bugs me. When I hear Orthodox diss the CC, I don't like it at all anymore than how my Catholic friends diss Anglicans, etc. We all need to pray for each other! Lord have mercy!
Stop looking for religion, you'll only end up disappointed, regardless of where you end up.
What you should be seeking is faith in Jesus Christ, which is the point of Catholicism in the first and last place.
Faith is a gift from God. It is the revelation of Himself, however that may happen.
Religion on the other hand, is our response to the faith God has given us.
Too many people seek religion in order to find fulfillment, rather than faith in God, which demands a surrendering of self, which most people are unwilling to do.
They end up joining a particular church and following the tenets ambitiously. However, that eventually becomes a yoke and they begin to argue against the religion, in order to justify their leaving.
Jesus is the opposite of such an endeavor, and those who find Jesus before religion, find religion as a source of freedom, rather than a burden.
Remember Jesus words, " Come to me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart; and you will find rest for your selves.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden light." Matthew 11:28-30
If religion is something other than what Jesus says above, then you have religion, but not faith.
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Reps: 82,853,159,499,166,768 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Michie One thing I've noticed since converting is that people find it very difficult to walk away from Catholicism. I see more people stay that seem miserable & just go through the motions than leave. Or... trying to change the Church from the inside.
On the other hand, in my protestant days people left their Church all the time. Either in search of another Church that suited them or just a stay at home lone ranger Christian.
Why is that?
I been thinking about this and for me I just don't want to leave. I may have doubts and such but I tried everything else and I am comfortable here |
28th April 2012, 05:31 PM
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Reps: 553,774,144,128,245,120 (power: 553,774,144,128,251) | | Originally Posted by christseeker45
I been thinking about this and for me I just don't want to leave. I may have doubts and such but I tried everything else and I am comfortable here
As long as it took me to convert to Catholicism, I would not consider leaving. I was a Protestant for many years. Looking back on it, I see that my faith journey was leading me to the Catholic Church. And now I think I am being recruited into the Secular Order of Fransiscans, which has a formation of about two years. My first meeting is Sunday after Mass. |
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Reps: 1,398,554,123,354,821,120 (power: 1,398,554,123,354,833) | | Catholicism is a religion. Of course I have faith in Christ. That's unwavering. But the CC is an institution, it claims to be Christ's True Church, anyone who departs from it to another is considered in a risky state of spiritual affairs, and the CC teaches that religion as far as the organization of the Church on earth, is absolutely necessary. You're oversimplifying things a lot. Originally Posted by JimR-OCDS Stop looking for religion, you'll only end up disappointed, regardless of where you end up.
What you should be seeking is faith in Jesus Christ, which is the point of Catholicism in the first and last place.
Faith is a gift from God. It is the revelation of Himself, however that may happen.
Religion on the other hand, is our response to the faith God has given us.
Too many people seek religion in order to find fulfillment, rather than faith in God, which demands a surrendering of self, which most people are unwilling to do.
They end up joining a particular church and following the tenets ambitiously. However, that eventually becomes a yoke and they begin to argue against the religion, in order to justify their leaving.
Jesus is the opposite of such an endeavor, and those who find Jesus before religion, find religion as a source of freedom, rather than a burden.
Remember Jesus words, "[/b]
If religion is something other than what Jesus says above, then you have religion, but not faith.
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28th April 2012, 08:04 PM
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Reps: 553,774,144,128,245,120 (power: 553,774,144,128,251) | | Originally Posted by gurneyhalleck1 Catholicism is a religion. Of course I have faith in Christ. That's unwavering. But the CC is an institution, it claims to be Christ's True Church, anyone who departs from it to another is considered in a risky state of spiritual affairs, and the CC teaches that religion as far as the organization of the Church on earth, is absolutely necessary. You're oversimplifying things a lot.
I think Jim's words were very wise. Catholicism can be what you make of it. I don't mean that in a liberal sense, but I do mean that the yoke is not as heavy as many think it is.
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