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20th April 2012, 12:33 PM
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Reps: 216,390,250,992,884,000 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by christianleader2012 i think mothers need to stop killing their babies is what i think i dont like that at all. ive been through one but not of my choice i was 14 years old raped by my own grandfather but the other mothers the ones that have a choice the ones that are just being selfish if they dont want the baby that bad give it up for adoption cause someone will love that baby.
Someone will love that baby? Really? Have you seen orphanages? Most unwanted children end up abused, jumping around the system until they are 18. There aren't enough heterosexuals willing to adopt to take care of all the unwanted children.
And social programs designed to help those unwanted children are continually attacked and tried to be shut down by Conservative Republicans.
Pro-Life to me is a ridiculous oxymoron. | 
20th April 2012, 12:46 PM
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Reps: 400,462,605,479,090,560 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Jase Someone will love that baby? Really? Have you seen orphanages? Most unwanted children end up abused, jumping around the system until they are 18. There aren't enough heterosexuals willing to adopt to take care of all the unwanted children.
And social programs designed to help those unwanted children are continually attacked and tried to be shut down by Conservative Republicans.
Pro-Life to me is a ridiculous oxymoron.
A number of years ago, my husband and I made a decision to adopt, since there were so many unwanted children.
Well, we found that due to abortion, there are far more potential parents then children eligible to adopt. We went to a open house where potential parents can meet potential adoptees. There were probably about 5 couples for every child. This 'open house' occurred in a park, so the children were playing and having a good time. It was for children 5 and up.
Babies have far more potential parents to the point where it is just about impossible for most couples to adopt a baby.
There really are thousands of parents waiting for a child to adopt, and would happily adopt if there were more children.
Admittedly, the children who are available to adopt but there is a shortage of couples to adopt are those with extreme disabilities or those who have a disease which will result in death. Sad but true.
So, from my experience, with a few exceptions, abortions have actually created a shortage of children compared to the number of couples who want to adopt. The fable of unwanted children, needing a home, is exactly that, a fable. | 
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Reps: 88,074,971,553,325,408 (power: 88,074,971,553,327) | | Originally Posted by Jase This isn't a baby.
You are also aware that half of all pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion, presumably at God's hand himself right?
So at what point does a life become worth preserving?
And your last point is moot; natural death can occur at any time from conception until old age. There is a big difference between natural death and intentional, targeted killing. And you presume a lot when you pin natural death on God. | 
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According to the rules I am not allowed to answer.
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Reps: 400,462,605,479,090,560 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by xDenax >staff edit<
I looked at multiple state foster systems. (Many state foster systems send out pictures and write ups of the 5 and up children to adoption agencies). And for almost any age.
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Reps: 400,462,605,479,090,560 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by xDenax >staff edit<
I am saying that for every child up for adoption, there are many couples who are competing to adopt that child. And adoption agencies work hard to get a child for the couples they work with, competing against other adoption agencies.
Again, the exceptions are for those children who are handicapped (so that it will have a profound effect on their lives.) And those with diseases which will likely lead to an early death. The last category I forgot before is a family of children, siblings, which require to stay together, of 3 children of more. (A family of 2 siblings has no problem finding a parent. They are competed for.)
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20th April 2012, 02:28 PM
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Reps: 96,684,101,005,750,448 (power: 96,684,101,005,752) | | Originally Posted by Jase This isn't a baby.
You are also aware that half of all pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion, presumably at God's hand himself right?
This is a baby. 
According to God's standard.
"For You formed my inward parts;
You wove me in my mother’s womb." ~Psalm 139:13
"Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
And in sin my mother conceived me." ~Psalm 51:5 (David was sinful in the womb. He was therefore alive)
On what standard is your judgement made? Obviously not God's standard.
To compromise with the world on this subject is giving way to those trying to take you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Messiah (Colossians 2:8).
The Bible is pretty black and white when it comes to this. And we must hold to what it says as true because the fear of Yahweh is the beginning of knowledge and fools despise wisdom and instruction (Proverbs 1:7).
What is the standard by which you will judge? If the world is your standard you will serve the world, but if God's Word is your standard you are serving Him. Choose this day whom you will serve (Joshua 24:15)!
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