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Old 19th April 2012, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Albion View Post
Then let's take all the money that those people have! We can easily pretend that theft is the highest form of Christianity. And someone will surely believe that. After all, you did.
Apparently, you've never read the Bible. Psa 50:12 for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof. Psa 89:11 The heavens are thine, the earth also is thine: as for the world and the fulness thereof, thou hast founded them. 1Co 10:26 For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof. 1Co 10:28: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.

It is only the madness of greed that has driven you to suppose than everything that a man can get by greed and injustice is theirs. When in fact, everything on earth, and every penny in your pocket, belongs to the Lord, and one day you will have to give an account of how it got there.
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Old 19th April 2012, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Godcreatedsteve View Post
Apparently, you've never read the Bible.
Believe it or not, I have; and I have yet to find a commandment to steal your neighbor's possessions. I found one that says Thou Shalt Not Steal, but I guess today's politicos have removed it from their own editions.

Psa 50:12 for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof. Psa 89:11 The heavens are thine, the earth also is thine: as for the world and the fulness thereof, thou hast founded them. 1Co 10:26 For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof. 1Co 10:28: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.
So, you'd agree that they aren't Congress's or the White House's possessions?

It is only the madness of greed that has driven you to suppose than everything that a man can get by greed and injustice is theirs.
I'd say that it may be the opposite. I mean the assumption that no one can come by anything honestly. The idea that if you earn something it must be because of greed, injustice, and madness would be comical if it weren't so perverse.

When in fact, everything on earth, and every penny in your pocket, belongs to the Lord
I'm more than happy to have to belong to the Lord. It's only the politicians and their lackeys that I don't care to be making off with it!
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Originally Posted by Albion View Post
I'm more than happy to have to belong to the Lord. It's only the politicians and their lackeys that I don't care to be making off with it!
Rom 13:1-3 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil.

Rom 13:6-7 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

Luk 20:21-25 And they asked him, saying, Master, we know that thou sayest and teachest rightly, neither acceptest thou the person of any, but teachest the way of God truly: Is it lawful for us to give tribute unto Caesar, or no? But he perceived their craftiness, and said unto them, Why tempt ye me? Shew me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar's. And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.
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Originally Posted by Lovely Lane View Post
Not bad, but you left out the sale of stocks, bonds, gold, silver other precious metals, and I believe currency and commodities (oil) also. So Godcreatedsteve example is accurate. The very wealthy sit back in having professional managers invest their monies and reap in millions and only pay 15%.
No, he was not. He referred specifically to dividend checks. Those are income, not capital gains. Stocks, bonds and precious metals are not taxed as capital gains unless they are sold outright, and for the lower tax brackets, any capital gains is not taxed at any greater rate than 5%, and may not be taxed at all, depending on overall income. So Steve is in fact incorrect, and that would make you, also, incorrect.
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If this conversation dosen't prove we need to fix and simplify the tax code, I don't know what will. Sheesh! It's giving me a headache.
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Originally Posted by WinBySurrender View Post
No, he was not. He referred specifically to dividend checks. Those are income, not capital gains. Stocks, bonds and precious metals are not taxed as capital gains unless they are sold outright, and for the lower tax brackets, any capital gains is not taxed at any greater rate than 5%, and may not be taxed at all, depending on overall income. So Steve is in fact incorrect, and that would make you, also, incorrect.

Once again, you are incorrect. The tax rate on qualified dividends ( dividends paid by a corporation on stock you have held at least 60 days) is 15% - the same as for the profit on assets like stock, bonds and precious metals held for a year or more. Unless you are in the 10 - 15% income tax bracket, in which case it's 0% Please stop re-posting disinformation over and over again, although I know it's a favorite tactic of the far right.
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Originally Posted by WilliamB View Post
If this conversation dosen't prove we need to fix and simplify the tax code, I don't know what will. Sheesh! It's giving me a headache.
Of course, but the cold, hard fact remains that so long as Harry Reid rules the Senate, nothing will be passed--no reform, no budget, no taking on of the national debt, no reforming of entitlements, nothing of importance.
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Originally Posted by Godcreatedsteve View Post
Once again, you are incorrect. The tax rate on qualified dividends ( dividends paid by a corporation on stock you have held at least 60 days) is 15% - the same as for the profit on assets like stock, bonds and precious metals held for a year or more. Unless you are in the 10 - 15% income tax bracket, in which case it's 0% Please stop re-posting disinformation over and over again, although I know it's a favorite tactic of the far right.
My information came from the IRS. Where did yours come from? Doesn't matter, 'cause its wrong. You're the one posting disinformation.
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Originally Posted by Albion View Post
Of course, but the cold, hard fact remains that so long as Harry Reid rules the Senate, nothing will be passed--no reform, no budget, no taking on of the national debt, no reforming of entitlements, nothing of importance.
That's because Empty Suit's agenda, if enacted, will guarantee every Democratic congressional seat is in jeopardy. That was underlined, highlighted and starred by the Senate defeat of Empty Suit's budget, 414-0 three weeks ago.
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Is that whom Harry Reid answers to? He's totally in charge of this.
How so?
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