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By: Dr. Robert R. Owens
"Socialism is a debilitating confidence game dressed up as an ideology used by demagogues and want-to-be dictators to fool its victims into believing it is possible to have your cake and eat it too. Those who fall under the spell of the charlatans singing this siren song actually come to believe it is fair and just to force some people to labor for the good of others. ...
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This twisted tool of central planners and bureaucratic tyrants teaches those who have not that it is fair and just to take from those who have and re-distribute the plunder as the government decrees. This is not fair! This is not just! To teach that it is raises up generations of people who believe they have a birth-right to that which is not their own forfeiting their true birth-right: the opportunity to succeed through their own efforts. The products of such an educational system are citizens without virtue voting pawns without honor. Not because they have made a personal decision to live without these two attributes but because they have been programmed to believe taking the fruit of someone else’s labor is permissible as long as it will be given to someone else. Theodore Roosevelt said, “To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society.”
Those who drank the Kool-Aid dispensed by the government schools learned that this type of theft is not only permissible it is laudable. They were told and they believe that this is what Robin Hood did: steal from the rich to give to the poor. However, in reality the legend of Robin Hood tells of a fighter for liberty and the sanctity of personal property who robbed the stolen wealth of corrupt government officials so that he could return it to its rightful owners: those who produced the wealth in the first place. ..."
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Reps: 21,562,900,662,572,888 (power: 21,562,900,662,588) | | | The problem is that now anything and everything is called "socialism" if a Republican or conservative doesn't like it. If socialist means everything, then it means nothings. You can't yo-yo the definition, throw it out so that it's so broad that it contains pretty much everything, then pull it back in and use the more narrow definition to now apply to all of the items that were included when the definition was broadened. This sort of logical fallacy is becoming more and more common in so many subjects.
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What is exactly so bad about socialism?
Are you saying the highway system, police, libraries, schools, firefighters, and the military are bad? |
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- a debilitating confidence game dressed up as an ideology used by demagogues and want-to-be dictators to fool its victims
- This is not fair! This is not just!
- “To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society.”
(Theodore Roosevelt) The statistics indicate that there has been a massive upward" redistribution of wealth in America, but the real culprit is "capitalism" and the top 1%.
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,792) | | Originally Posted by 29apples  So....
What is exactly so bad about socialism?
Are you saying the highway system, police, libraries, schools, firefighters, and the military are bad?  Oy vay |
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Those are all socialist programs. And very beneficial ones at that. So what's wrong with them?
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,792) | | Originally Posted by Maynard Keenan The problem is that now anything and everything is called "socialism" if a Republican or conservative doesn't like it.
...which premise of course is a total absurdity, and logically false to boot. Originally Posted by Maynard Keenan If socialist means everything, then it means nothings. You can't yo-yo the definition, throw it out so that it's so broad that it contains pretty much everything, then pull it back in and use the more narrow definition to now apply to all of the items that were included when the definition was broadened. This sort of logical fallacy is becoming more and more common in so many subjects.
Well, when one uses as their premise a logical fallacy so as to shout "logical fallacy" at something else, it seems to me the original logical fallacy takes precedence. |
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,792) | | Originally Posted by Leere Those are all socialist programs. And very beneficial ones at that. So what's wrong with them?
How ironic ^ this follows this: Originally Posted by Maynard Keenan The problem is that now anything and everything is called "socialism" if a Republican or conservative doesn't like it. If socialist means everything, then it means nothings. You can't yo-yo the definition, throw it out so that it's so broad that it contains pretty much everything, then pull it back in and use the more narrow definition to now apply to all of the items that were included when the definition was broadened. This sort of logical fallacy is becoming more and more common in so many subjects. |
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Reps: 2,974,719,445,387,221 (power: 2,974,719,445,390) | | Originally Posted by EdwinWillers How ironic ^ this follows this:
And your answer is...?
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,792) | | Originally Posted by Leere And your answer is...?
Well I find it quite ironic and totally amusing that our friends on the left chide us for always decrying "socialism" - ostensibly for everything we don't like, while our friends on the left turn right around and proclaim "socialism" for everything we're all supposed to like (including them).
To heighten the irony even further, proclaiming the sorts of things they do as "socialism" (e.g. roads, police, libraries, schools, firefighters, etc.), when in fact those things aren't remotely socialistic, just makes all the more fascinating the ridicule we receive for our supposed ignorance of the word.
Truly fascinating... | | |
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