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16th April 2012, 03:20 AM
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Reps: 108,953,119,481,012,576 (power: 108,953,119,481,027) | | Originally Posted by joey_downunder  TheDag - can you imagine yourself looking Jesus in the eye and saying to Him that gay marriage is OK?
but why would i be saying that? Sorry but that kind of argument is an attempt at guilt tripping someone usually.
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16th April 2012, 03:23 AM
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Reps: 108,953,119,481,012,576 (power: 108,953,119,481,027) | | Originally Posted by DarkMonk I ask you the following Question, If Jesus was on earth, Would he oppose Gay Marriage? YES or NO?
You know in thinking about this a bit more and in the context of this topic which is government decisions not faith decisions then no i don't believe Jesus would. he didn't oppose the governments of the day by trying to change the rules. the old saying you can't legislate behaviour is very true.
you still have not answered my question. With homosexuality being legal what changes?
Why are you not actually advocating making homosexuality illegal?
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16th April 2012, 03:38 AM
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Purely speculative though is what marriage will mean in a generation or two due to it being compromised.
Dags is right in what he states, the issue though becomes very gray in light of Sharia law and cult beliefs. What if somebody wants to marry their dog, who is to say its wrong. I know its extreme but there are extremitys out there
Marriage will be lost.
Why not call it something other than marriage?
Question Dags if I may.
Is gay marriage wrong from a Christian perspective?
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16th April 2012, 04:27 AM
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Reps: 74,544,198,281,370 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by DarkMonk I ask you the following Question, If Jesus was on earth, Would he oppose Gay Marriage? YES or NO?
Well he frequented with prostitutes, tax collectors and all parts of his society, so I guess the answer is by no means certain.
But I think the real answer is that Jesus famously ruled that there should be a divide between church and state... " Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's..." (Mat 22:21). So I guess the answer is that if the state made it legal he would not oppose it.
Which really gets back to the point I have made several times. Legalising homosexual marriage in a secular democracy in no way forces anyone into it. Christians are free not to involve themselves in it, but others who are not of the same opinion are free to do so if they wish.
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Reps: 74,544,198,281,370 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Born to Watch I cant argue with Dags position.
Purely speculative though is what marriage will mean in a generation or two due to it being compromised.
The answer is irrelevant if your religious conviction is strong enough. Whatever the meaning might change to in future it does not have to change your view. Why not call it something other than marriage?
If it's only a word to you, why do you object to its meaning changing? Is gay marriage wrong from a Christian perspective?
For many Christians I would say the answer is yes. For many others it is no. Is gay marriage wrong from a secular perspective?
Depends which country you live in. It is becoming more acceptable and is legal in several countries. In Australia gay couples have all the rights of heterosexual couples, except for the right to call their union marriage. (And if the word is as unimportant to you as your post implies then I see no reason why you should object to them using it.) |
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If it's only a word to you, why do you object to its meaning changing?
For many Christians I would say the answer is yes. For many others it is no.
Depends which country you live in. It is becoming more acceptable and is legal in several countries. In Australia gay couples have all the rights of heterosexual couples, except for the right to call their union marriage. (And if the word is as unimportant to you as your post implies then I see no reason why you should object to them using it.)
Thought you had enough of me and were going to leave me alone.
The questions were not addressed to you either.
I was asking Dags opinion,
Yours answers are always obvious tB, do you believe in sin, do you believe in heaven or hell. Do you believe in judgement????
Yours answers are always obvious.
As Christians we have the right to vote and have our voices and concerns heard, would you deny them as well?
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16th April 2012, 05:16 AM
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Reps: 136,245,030,737,922,688 (power: 136,245,030,737,929) | | Originally Posted by TheDag but why would i be saying that? Sorry but that kind of argument is an attempt at guilt tripping someone usually.
I am reminding you of the big picture not whether things will change much on the surface if "gay marriage" goes ahead in Australia.
Yes it is a guilt trip. When you stand before God on Judgement Day do you think He will be praising you for being so politically correct that you are an advocate of gay marriage when God clearly condemns homosexual acts in Old AND New Testament...
P.S I stand corrected on whether atheists should be called pagans or not Born to Watch. Gotta love politically incorrect 19th century evangelism. The guilt of the pagan : Shedd, William G. T. (William Greenough Thayer), 1820-1894 . Sure ain't afraid to call a spade a spade, or heathen...
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16th April 2012, 06:37 AM
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Reps: 108,953,119,481,012,576 (power: 108,953,119,481,027) | | Originally Posted by joey_downunder I am reminding you of the big picture not whether things will change much on the surface if "gay marriage" goes ahead in Australia.
Yes it is a guilt trip. When you stand before God on Judgement Day do you think He will be praising you for being so politically correct that you are an advocate of gay marriage when God clearly condemns homosexual acts in Old AND New Testament...
I think you missed my point. I have never said gay marriage is ok from a christian perspective so therefore your question is not relevant. There are several laws I disagree with personally. What society does is not what God will hold me accountable for. I will be held accountable for what I do. So the real question is am I witnessing to people? Yes. Am I doing my best to live a life pleasing to God? Yes. So where is the problem? Answer: there isn't one.
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16th April 2012, 07:38 AM
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Reps: 136,245,030,737,922,688 (power: 136,245,030,737,929) | | Originally Posted by TheDag I think you missed my point. I have never said gay marriage is ok from a christian perspective so therefore your question is not relevant. There are several laws I disagree with personally. What society does is not what God will hold me accountable for. I will be held accountable for what I do. So the real question is am I witnessing to people? Yes. Am I doing my best to live a life pleasing to God? Yes. So where is the problem? Answer: there isn't one.
OK I got you wrong- sorry.
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