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5th April 2012, 06:19 PM
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Reps: 130,202,131,717,055,472 (power: 130,202,131,717,057) | | Originally Posted by James Clarkston I see why the great men of God of old desired to live in the days just prior to the return of Jesus Christ... we very well may have to handle God's supernatural power in this natural world in order to survive!
James, your getting some good responses here with advise on what to do and how to go about it. I really can't add anymore to what they are trying to help you with. But I do have a little problem with this quote.
I agree the the saints of old would love to witness what God will do with us in these final days prior to the return of Jesus Christ. And yes, if we believe, we will experience God's supernatural power, but not in order to just "survive" as you put it. Understand that the devil absolutely has no power, zilch, none....unless you give it to him. Why would the saints of old want to be here if they knew they needed God's power to just survive? They were at the beginning and they knew the ending will be much more exploiting of God's power that will operate through us. What they saw during their time is nothing to what lies ahead, and again, if you believe.
At least, this is my thinking on this. I hope this helps if I read your quote right.
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5th April 2012, 11:05 PM
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Reps: 31,498,725,404,186,248 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by hhodgson Understand that the devil absolutely has no power, zilch, none....
Yes, and the Bible clearly teaches that in the last days many will fall away...so it's very obvious that the devil does in fact possess the power of deception.
And, with that power...which is carnal power, not spiritual power which he was stripped of.... he will do lying wonders, and satanic miracles that will deceive many.
I used to believe just like you and I found out that the devil does still have natural carnal power and if people mis-judge that they will be marginalized into bearing no fruit and some will even be deceived into losing their salvation.
If the devil had absolutely nothing to work with as you say, then why does the Bible tell us to be sober and vigilant so we would be watching for the devil's attempts to steal the Word from us causing us to bear no fruit unto God?
And, why would the Bible speak of us having access to God's armor and saying the weapons of our WARFARE are powerful thru God for the pulling down of the devil's strongholds?
When you carefully examine the New Testament on this subject, you will find many warnings and calls to action concerning standing against the wiles of the devil. | 
5th April 2012, 11:48 PM
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5th April 2012, 11:55 PM
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Reps: 31,498,725,404,186,248 (power: 0) | | | Yes, I'm learning that this situation has to have some balance to it.
I can't get all freaked out about it as that's not being in faith, but I can't just ignore it either. So I'm reaching for some balance in this whole mess.
I still think she needs to renounce it, but I can't force her to do that. She said yesterday that the first time she saw dead people was when she was six, and her daughter (from a previous marriage) said she was in a mental facility years ago once for this sort of thing.
I didn't know any of this before we got married as that would have effected my decision to marry in the first place. Now, I'm stuck with someone who thinks this is OK and is a "gift of healing from God"...but she hasn't learned yet it's from the wrong god... the god of this world.
Thanks for the words of encouragement. Once the Holy Ghost can open the eyes of her understanding concerning this matter. | 
6th April 2012, 12:15 PM
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Reps: 31,498,725,404,186,248 (power: 0) | | | Well she is now saying she has no problem...I've been casting the devil out, which has resulted in a temporary peace, but if she isn't willing to renounce this and actively come against it by pressing in to her personal relationship with Father thru Jesus Christ... not much I can do further other than continually speak against devils being in my household.
I don't see any where in scripture that authorizes us to force anyone to embrace their relationship with the Father....so all I can really do is continually be a watchman over our household which is something I'm going to be doing anyhow. Thanks. | 
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7th April 2012, 12:46 AM
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Reps: 56,418,318,548,694,824 (power: 56,418,318,548,697) | | Originally Posted by James Clarkston Yes, I'm learning that this situation has to have some balance to it.
I can't get all freaked out about it as that's not being in faith, but I can't just ignore it either. So I'm reaching for some balance in this whole mess.
I still think she needs to renounce it, but I can't force her to do that. She said yesterday that the first time she saw dead people was when she was six, and her daughter (from a previous marriage) said she was in a mental facility years ago once for this sort of thing.
I didn't know any of this before we got married as that would have effected my decision to marry in the first place. Now, I'm stuck with someone who thinks this is OK and is a "gift of healing from God"...but she hasn't learned yet it's from the wrong god... the god of this world.
Thanks for the words of encouragement. Once the Holy Ghost can open the eyes of her understanding concerning this matter.
Stuck with someone you love seems to be a bit harsh sounding, placed together from God ,for his purpose and glory would be what I would want. You may be to close to the issue to understand its reason. Seek out a Pastor or Christian advise that is objective. You may want to go to someone outside your church,due to your piers having already formed their own opinion from your statement . Remember seek not the council of the ungodly. Will be praying for you both God bless. | 
7th April 2012, 10:32 AM
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Reps: 31,498,725,404,186,248 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by now faith Stuck with someone you love seems to be a bit harsh sounding, placed together from God ,for his purpose and glory would be what I would want. You may be to close to the issue to understand its reason. Seek out a Pastor or Christian advise that is objective. You may want to go to someone outside your church,due to your piers having already formed their own opinion from your statement . Remember seek not the council of the ungodly. Will be praying for you both God bless.
God isn't always the One responsible for people getting married. Many times, people get married without God's input due to being backsliden, or not being a Christian at all and they become Christians later. It's obvious that some people would not be married had they waited on God and got His input... He would have said "No, wait", and would have arranged other plans.
But, there is this honor thing with God that if someone makes a vow unto Him, God expects them to honor that vow.
Our biggest problem is she enjoys the things of this world and continually and consistently pursues things other than Godly things. I'm just the opposite, as I dispise the things of this world and recognize them as being distractions that satan uses to attempt to choke the Word and my relationship with my Father out of my life as per what Jesus taught in Mark 4:14-20.
She has the idea that as long as you choose to believe God raised Jesus from the dead for her sins, then she's good. No further need of engaging in a bunch of "religious stuff". She's pretty much has the view of "OSAS" which is a convenient way of excusing one's self from having a relationship with the Father.
She does not want to go to any church and refuses to associate with any other Christians outside of the occasional encounter.
I don't really know of any Pastors, including mine, that have anything objective to offer other than praying for me and telling me, "we're with you brother...be blessed!". As a young Christian (long before I was married) I found that going in for counseling doesn't necessarily result in getting direction that is the same as what the Holy Spirit has for you.
This situation is starting to work out to be one where I just have to cast this care upon the Lord and let Him deal with it...and continue focusing on my own spiritual growth. I cannot make her be interested in walking with and growing in the Lord and her daily activities do show she has little interest in this kind of thing as there is little hunger for spiritual things and a strong desire for things of this world such as smokin, drinkin, and this world's entertainment.
It's becoming obvious that she does not want me to speak anything to her concerning the things of God as she is "good" with her basic fire insurance policy. If God only requires that people believe He raised Jesus up for their justification, then she is good according to what she says...but, if God requires that we allow Him in to our lives and actually "know" Him as in walking with Him in a personal relationship where we hold no part of our lives from Him... then, she's not good.
Jesus will judge, so maybe I need to stay out of the way and just pray and cast my cares upon the Lord because He cares for me. I get the idea that He can do much more than I can, if someone will let Him in. If they choose not to let Him in, then doesn't seem like there's much God could do since I don't see Him forcing a relationship with Himself upon anybody, do you? | 
7th April 2012, 02:11 PM
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Reps: 550,245,957,350,530,944 (power: 550,245,957,350,532) | | the WORD works... if you meditate... believe... activate... by faith speak GOD'S WORD what you say dear brother sounds reasonable.... if you judge by what your eyes see.... and your ears hear.... and your senses perceive....
but there is a higher law.... that you can activate by faith....
the WORD in ephesians 6 says... we wrestle NOT against flesh and blood.... but against principalities and powers.....
if you take a stand on the HIGHER LAWS... the laws of the SPIRIT.... you can lean on the promises of GOD....
charles capps... bill winston.... and other wof teachers have excellent material on JESUS' WORDS.... you have what you say.... you have what you believe.... you have what GOD SAYS you have....
the beliefs of your heart and the WORDS of your mouth.... can be powerfully anointed.... if you meditate.... and speak and declare.... GOD'S specific WORD for your situation.....
defeat is reserved for the devil.... if you seek GOD and HIS WORD.... for HIS promises... and speak in FAITH HIS WORD over your situation/wife....
that is one of the wof sof principles that wof can testify works.... the wof sof is found in a sticky at the top of the page.... we would be happy to answer any of your questions on how to CHANGE situations.... by speaking GOD'S WORD over your life....
you can speak what you SEEM to HAVE.... or you can speak what GOD SAYS you have.... circumstances MUST change to match the WORD of GOD.... we would be happy to help you to learn about this if you wish....
love... peace... prayers...
ps. wof sof link.... http://www.christianforums.com/t7586769/#post58360133
items #6 -#12 especially apply to your situation....    
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7th April 2012, 02:38 PM
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Reps: 31,498,725,404,186,248 (power: 0) | | what you say dear brother sounds reasonable.... if you judge by what your eyes see.... and your ears hear.... and your senses perceive....
Yes, I'm well aware of the principles of the Word of Faith that the Holy Spirit taught through Paul (it's how I got off of drugs and drove the devil out of my own life years ago, I learned that by listening to ALOT of Kenneth Copeland)... but, nobody... including God Himself... can force someone to walk with God.
Yes, prayer is based on the Word of Faith and I'm doing that on a continual basis. As you may have found out praying for lost friends and family members, somewhere along the line they have to act themselves and start moving towards God.
This whole thing was noticed because I don't simply judge by what I see and hear. If I did that, then I'd be like most people and thing she's OK and nothing is wrong at all.
That's another thing that is a problem... I object to her smokin and drinking because it is in fact a sin to harm the body and these things are known to be bad for your body. You don't have to be a doctor to figure that out...
She talks to family members who tell her that she's OK, and I'm the religious nut, and that I'm the one being unreasonable. So, all I can do is continue to pray (speaking God's Word over her and our household), and cast my care concerning this situation upon the Lord because the Word can't work if I have the care of it all on my back.
So, I'll continue doing these things while having peace in believing! |  | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode | | | |