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Old 4th April 2012, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by SnowCal View Post
I feel very letdown now. Rion, you've posted a bunch since I requested this simple acknowledgment, but not once have you offered that your OP was completely misleading and dishonest. I don't blame you. I blame your source. Perhaps you should learn to be a bit more skeptical of the people you currently trust.

Can I ask again? Was Sen. Sessions providing an analysis that was anything other than pure and utter bullhockey?
A) I did not post "a bunch" between your two posts, that is a lie, as I was hardly on last night.
B) I don't check threads religiously.
C) If we are going to start apologizing, why don't you start us off by apologizing for your firebomb thread where you accused conservatives of being behind it, and then flamed every conservative on this board by saying such attacks were "typical" for us?

Originally Posted by SmellsLikeCurlyFries View Post
I'm not sure what kind of belief that is. All I know is it basically means "After we, the deluge" or something.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Madame_de_Pompadour

Après nous, le déluge.
"After us, the deluge. I care not what happens when I am dead and gone."
Said while the French financial system was on the verge of collapse, as quoted in Dictionary of Phrase and Fable (1898) by E. Cobham Brewer. Brewer states that this was sometimes attributed to the Austrian statesman Klemens Wenzel von Metternich, but that he was probably simply quoting Madame de Pompadour.
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Old 4th April 2012, 05:48 PM
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Ah. Then to answer your question, no, I don't hold to such an idea. What would make you think I do?
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Yeah, sorry, but unless that $17 trillion is immediate or within the next five years, it's pretty much a meaningless number.
That.
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That.
"That" what? Are you agreeing with me? Are you trying to say that the $17 trillion is to be spent sometime within the next five years? What?
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That.
And we're back to pretending that Sen. Sessions was being honest when he claimed that Obamacare increased unfunded liabilities by 17 trillion. The problem is that he wasn't being honest. The bill completely funded that spending and then some.
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Originally Posted by SnowCal View Post
And we're back to pretending that Sen. Sessions was being honest when he claimed that Obamacare increased unfunded liabilities by 17 trillion. The problem is that he wasn't being honest. The bill completely funded that spending and then some.
So has it been discovered what the actual cost would be? Frankly, the only justification for such a move I can see is if it were taken out of the public sector entirely and placed squarely upon private individuals, using the advantage of tremendous purchasing power, and relieving the Federal budget from this item.

That's not what's happening. Is it a net increase in Federal spending?
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Originally Posted by SnowCal View Post
And we're back to pretending that Sen. Sessions was being honest when he claimed that Obamacare increased unfunded liabilities by 17 trillion. The problem is that he wasn't being honest. The bill completely funded that spending and then some.
Yeah, if we want to talk about billions/trillions in unfunded liabilities, let's talk about the mostly Republican Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act of 2003...

Although I suppose, in fairness, the Senate version was pretty bipartisan.
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How much does Congress cost us a year should be the question.

My 15 year old son is a type 1 diabetic ( type 1 any of your children can get and is not from his lifestyle)
I was just diagnosed with breast cancer in December and with the surgeries, 100's of blood / scans / heart tests and chemo

Why should I lose my house and everything I worked so hard all of my life because an insurance won't pick me up anymore.

These congress people are sitting on their hands for everything it seems while their using our tax payer money for their $$ lifestyles .. Why are these people making my decisions when they are getting Top Notch insurance with our money.

Instead of complaining about everything in this reform Fix it.

We have a Major dysfunction in our System, this is our problem.

I wonder how many of you screaming about this attempt to fix the insurance problems have ever actually had anyone actually really sick, and had to fight the insurance companies for healthcare and insulin for your sick child or a mammogram for a lump you found in your chest. Worried if you were maybe going to lose your home to pay for the thousands I mean thousands of medical bills.

We need to really get into detail research on how much our government costs us and start cutting there. And if they want to continue on with their pitty arguments, we fire them just like I would if I wasn't doing my job.





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Originally Posted by SmellsLikeCurlyFries View Post
Yeah, if we want to talk about billions/trillions in unfunded liabilities, let's talk about the mostly Republican Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act of 2003...

Although I suppose, in fairness, the Senate version was pretty bipartisan.
Yep. One of Dubya's pieces of hallmark legislation. They didn't even bother to fund it. Who cares about deficits ya know?

Interestingly though it certainly blew a big hole into the budget, CBO actually thought that it was going to cost a lot more than it actually ended up costing. People will claim that costs for government programs are always much higher in the end than what was estimated during the bill's passage, but this is actually a great example of exactly the opposite. CBO pretty dramatically overscored the costs of this bill and it turned out being not nearly as expensive as was originally expected.
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These congress people are sitting on their hands for everything it seems while their using our tax payer money for their $$ lifestyles .. Why are these people making my decisions when they are getting Top Notch insurance with our money.

Instead of complaining about everything in this reform Fix it.
I am truly sorry to hear of your circumstances. If you can maintain the payments, you should not lose your home.

The solutions are truly simple, and I point out the vast bulk of Constitutional amendments have been enacted in roughly 2 years from their inception.

SOLUTION 1: place all elected officials on the same health plan and social security the rest of us get. Watch how fast they fix it!

Originally Posted by BlessEwe View Post
We need to really get into detail research on how much our government costs us
SOLUTION 2: (actually first in terms of time urgency) actually complete a full audit of the fed. The Federal Reserve banking system is a for profit corp., not a part of the US Gov't. They have denied we the people the right to do this, and currently need us to go in at gunpoint, with nobody leaving til it's done. As we speak, they are scrambling to hide assets and cover their ... assets. Since their inception in 1913 their most basic transaction with the US Treasury has been to screw we the people and it MUST be stopped.

SOLUTION 3: once those 2 are done this Nation will be unrecognizable, but we will still need to turn the IRS and their tax code on it's ear, as well as every other regulatory agency. They defy the Constitutional provision of separation of powers.

These are the true issues of our day, and all the media does is divert attention away from that, and sling mud at elections to deter interest.

Originally Posted by BlessEwe View Post
And if they want to continue on with their pitty arguments, we fire them just like I would if I wasn't doing my job.
This is TRUE GRIT: you do realize you just spoke armed revolution, right? And that our founders thought that would be necessary every 20 years to maintain the type of Gov't they founded? We're 220+ years late to that party ...

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