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Is Free Will Born Into Sin,Under The Sentence oF Death??

Why yes it is.

-Did free will have a choice as to where,and through whom he would come??

-Is free will free from the continuous solicitations upon his will to sin??

-Is free will free from the consequence upon his will to choose no matter what he chooses??
-Is free will free from the will of what nature will interpose upon my will every single day??
-Can free will SAVE me??
-Did ("I" will) get cast down from heaven??
-Is free will free from what "THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH" will have upon free will??
-Does GOD believe in free will, or HIS WILL ALONE SHALL BE DONE IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH??
-Is my will freer than the WILL OF ALMIGHTY GOD SETTING me FREE FROM me.
-Can GOD SET me FREE,AND "CAUSE" me BY "HIS SPIRIT" to walk in HIS WILL??
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You do not have the freedom to fly around the room, but you do have the freedom to chose in your own mind to keep on fighting God or give up / surrender to your enemy.
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So salvation is a mental exercise. Nothing miraculous about it. No powerful conversion of God. No spiritual life or new spiritual realities. Just the neurons in the brain firing.
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Originally Posted by Skala View Post
So salvation is a mental exercise. Nothing miraculous about it. No powerful conversion of God. No spiritual life or new spiritual realities. Just the neurons in the brain firing.
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

i would say...since anything i can do in my flesh all adds up to nothing. Being born again,and saved "BY GOD" must be pretty miraculous.


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What has the history of freewill added up to??
-Psa_39:5 Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth; and mine age is as nothing before thee: verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity. Selah.
-Psa_39:11 When thou with rebukes dost correct man for iniquity, thou makest his beauty to consume away like a moth: surely every man is vanity. Selah.
-Psa_62:9 Surely men of low degree are vanity, and men of high degree are a lie: to be laid in the balance, they are altogether lighter than vanity.
-Psa_78:33 Therefore their days did he consume in vanity, and their years in trouble.
-Psa_94:11 The LORD knoweth the thoughts of man, that they are vanity.
-Ecc_1:14 I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit.
-Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Looks like "mr. freewill" can't seem to free himself from the miserable history he keeps repeating like a "robot" bent on death,and distruction.
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Originally Posted by SeraphimsCherub View Post
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

i would say...since anything i can do in my flesh all adds up to nothing. Being born again,and saved "BY GOD" must be pretty miraculous.


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I agree with you. But the way bling describes salvation..does injustice to the real deal
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God, from His own sovereign volition, invented free will in two categories of creatures: Angels and Mankind. Both categories can choose for or against God. However, both categories of creatures were created for God's glory, REV 4:11 "Worthy art Thou, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power; for Thou didst create all things, and because of Thy will they existed, and were created." It is because of the will of God that we were created, and that we exist, however, it is also because of the will of God that we possess our own free will. PRO 16:4 "The Lord has made everything for its own purpose, even the wicked for the day of evil." This does not mean that He made the wicked to be wicked. It simply means that ultimately God will be glorified by either the positive or negative volition of His creatures. ROM 11:36 "For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen." The decrees of God are the adopted and chosen plan of God for all His works. Even the plan to crucify The Lord Jesus Christ was a part of the Divine decrees. ACT 2:23 "This {Man} [Jesus Christ], delivered up by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put {Him} to death." ACT 4:27-28, "For truly in this city there were gathered together against Thy Holy servant Jesus, whom Thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever Thy hand and Thy purpose predestined to occur. God the Father did not make them do it, nor did He violate their free will, and make them crucify His Son. That would make Him unjust and God cannot be anything but just and righteous. So again, the decrees of God are His eternal purpose according to the counsels of His own will whereby for His own glory He has foreordained all that will come to pass. However, foreordaining something does not mean the violation of human volition.
Ps 99:4 The King in his might(sovereignty) loves(established) justice. You have established equity;
ps 9:8 and He judges the world with righteousness;He judges the peoples with uprightness.....(on the level,with equity,straight,even,sweetly,upright)
Rom 1:17 For in it (salvation) the RIGHTEOUSNESS of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written ," the righteous shall live by faith."

God the Father sovereignly chooses men Through His righteous Justice.

Rom 1:17 salvation reveals his righteousness, He righteously Judges each and every person on the same upright scale John 16:9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me(Jesus). If He does not allow even just one man in eternity access to His Son His perfect righteousness would not be perfect and that is impossible.

Rom 1:20 for His invisible attributes,namely, His eternal power and divine nature,have been clearly percieved, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without EXCUSE.
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God, from His own sovereign volition, invented free will in two categories of creatures: Angels and Mankind. Both categories can choose for or against God. However, both categories of creatures were created for God's glory, REV 4:11 "Worthy art Thou, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power; for Thou didst create all things, and because of Thy will they existed, and were created." It is because of the will of God that we were created, and that we exist, however, it is also because of the will of God that we possess our own free will. PRO 16:4 "The Lord has made everything for its own purpose, even the wicked for the day of evil." This does not mean that He made the wicked to be wicked. It simply means that ultimately God will be glorified by either the positive or negative volition of His creatures. ROM 11:36 "For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen." The decrees of God are the adopted and chosen plan of God for all His works. Even the plan to crucify The Lord Jesus Christ was a part of the Divine decrees. ACT 2:23 "This {Man} [Jesus Christ], delivered up by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put {Him} to death." ACT 4:27-28, "For truly in this city there were gathered together against Thy Holy servant Jesus, whom Thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever Thy hand and Thy purpose predestined to occur. God the Father did not make them do it, nor did He violate their free will, and make them crucify His Son. That would make Him unjust and God cannot be anything but just and righteous. So again, the decrees of God are His eternal purpose according to the counsels of His own will whereby for His own glory He has foreordained all that will come to pass. However, foreordaining something does not mean the violation of human volition.
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Rom 1:17 For in it (salvation) the RIGHTEOUSNESS of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written ," the righteous shall live by faith."

God the Father sovereignly chooses men Through His righteous Justice.

Rom 1:17 salvation reveals his righteousness, He righteously Judges each and every person on the same upright scale John 16:9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me(Jesus). If He does not allow even just one man in eternity access to His Son His perfect righteousness would not be perfect and that is impossible.

Rom 1:20 for His invisible attributes,namely, His eternal power and divine nature,have been clearly percieved, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without EXCUSE.
Where does it say anywhere in the Bible that GOD "invented free will"??
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Where does it say anywhere in the Bible that GOD "invented free will"??
Rom 9:19-21
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Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

That's "His Will"....not "freewill". The Potter does whatever He wants to the clay
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