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31st March 2012, 07:27 PM
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Reps: 359,274,841,238,434,688 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Incariol  Because it empirically doesn't. Of course, I would point out that you have no idea that these people weren't led by God into a divorce.
As God hates divorce, not likely. But of course, He doesn't desire that we should stay in an abusive marriage, but there's no evidence that's the case here. In fact, it is likely they let the opposing doctrines of their churches dictate this divorce, and that too is unbiblical, but that is also a guess. Originally Posted by Incariol But I guess that judging people you've never met or communicated with is more interesting for some.
A divorce is a sign one or both parties has chosen to ignore God's will for marriage. That makes "judgment" (which is actually "fruit inspection") fairly easy. Originally Posted by Incariol My "salvation experience"(tight buzzwords broski) doesn't mean I have to be stupid.
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31st March 2012, 07:29 PM
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Reps: 1,003,564,572,942,237,952 (power: 1,003,564,572,942,246) | | Originally Posted by TamaraLynne As a child I never understood baptism...to be re baptized because I now understood...that meant alot to me....its between me and God after all... That about sums it up for me too. I was baptized as an infant and, of course, had no understanding of what that meant. As an adult at the age of 32 and a new Christian, I knew what baptism was and wanted to be baptized in obedience and accordance with New Testament practice.
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Reps: 39,567,257,762,619,200 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Incariol Oh spare me this garbage. Life isn't a black-and-life fantasy where marriages always magically work out if you "trust God". Especially since you haven't any idea what happened in their marriage.
But I self-righteous soapboxing on how some people aren't True Christians(TM) is more fun. I would have agreed to you when I was a pompous 12-year old and before I got to see it firsthand in my own family. But you are old enough that you should know better, and I find that concerning.
not sure how "trusting God" and garbage could possibly be used in the same sentance, but this is why every Christian marriage fails, because God and garbage have reached the same level of respect, when you nolonger respect God and your spouse, your marriage will be garbage |
1st April 2012, 02:02 PM
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Reps: 862,787,469,593,546,880 (power: 862,787,469,593,554) | | Originally Posted by peggy sue not sure how "trusting God" and garbage could possibly be used in the same sentance, but this is why every Christian marriage fails, because God and garbage have reached the same level of respect, when you nolonger respect God and your spouse, your marriage will be garbage
That's a pretty good piece of philosophy there, and since I've been divorced I guess you are saying I hadn't respected God nor my spouse and my marriage was garbage.
Odd though, I recall that my wife went to an attorney, filed legal papers to the court, and got herself a divorce. In court (Georgia 1990), it only takes one to file. And no matter how much one spends to fight it, the court will grant the divorce sooner or later. Question is how much does one want to spend to prolong the inevitable outcome.
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1st April 2012, 02:08 PM
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Reps: 862,787,469,593,546,880 (power: 862,787,469,593,554) | | Originally Posted by TamaraLynne As a child I never understood baptism...to be re baptized because I now understood...that meant alot to me....its between me and God after all...
I can agree with that, most kids don't understand. It's the mother in this thread that I take issue with. She went against the court, put her pastor/priest into question by preforming a baptism, all because of what, a hardened heart acting out in vindictiveness.
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not sure how "trusting God" and garbage could possibly be used in the same sentance, but this is why every Christian marriage fails, because God and garbage have reached the same level of respect, when you nolonger respect God and your spouse, your marriage will be garbage
Hey, not my fault. If you seriously want to lecture divorced couples on how they don't respect God, be my guest. Let me know how that works out for you.
But I wouldn't be standing in arm's reach when you give that speech to a woman who got a divorce rather than put up with domestic abuse if I were you. |
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I'm suspicious. Both the Methodist and the Presbyterian Church practise infant and child baptism. But in both denominations the children must attend a catechism, and then consciously agree to the articles of faith in order to become members of the church (baptism does not confer membership). I think there's something else going on here between the father and mother besides a difference of opinion over baptism. |
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Reps: 359,274,841,238,434,688 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Harry3142 I'm suspicious. Both the Methodist and the Presbyterian Church practise infant and child baptism.
No, the Methodist Church does not practice infant or child baptism, unless the child is able to consciously determine that he needs a Savior and He is Jesus Christ. What you see in Methodist churches, just as in Baptist churches, is a "child dedication" ceremony, where parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters and other family members gather at the front of the church and promise to lead this child in the ways of the Lord. There is no water dripped or rubbed on the child's forehead.
The father in the incident linked by the OP is defending the biblical truth of not allowing baptism in someone too young to have heeded the call of Christ through the Holy Spirit. Baptism being a testimony, an infant or young child cannot testify to something he or she does not understand. The Methodists believe this is biblically proper, as do many other denominations. |
2nd April 2012, 02:48 AM
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infant baptism in the UK Methodists: http://www.methodist.org.uk/index.cf...tent&cmid=1564
infant baptism in the US Methodists: http://www.umc.org/site/apps/nlnet/c...005157¬oc=1
Yes, methodists generally do practice infant baptism. A few particular groups may not.
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2nd April 2012, 03:06 AM
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Reps: 686,314,855,663,773,952 (power: 686,314,855,663,814) | | Originally Posted by TamaraLynne As a child I never understood baptism...to be re baptized because I now understood...that meant alot to me....its between me and God after all...
You can't be rebaptised. Either you were baptised as a child, or you were baptised as an adult.
In fact the former is true - what you did as an adult was not actually a baptism.
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