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2nd May 2012, 10:23 AM
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Reps: 429,496,756,437,640,640 (power: 429,496,756,437,646) | | Originally Posted by Optimax  Since our Lord told us to speak to them.
What scripture do you use to climb them? 
Here ya go. I prayed and asked for a reminder on the scripture that speaks to your question above and I was reminded of this scripture: 2 Corinthians 12:8-10
King James Version (KJV)
8For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
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Reps: 2,287,151,683,944,507,136 (power: 2,287,151,683,944,524) | | Originally Posted by Boidae Here ya go. I prayed and asked for a reminder on the scripture that speaks to your question above and I was reminded of this scripture:
2 Corinthians 12:8-10
King James Version (KJV)
8For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
That doesn't say anything about climbing mountains!
That tells us to take the grace God has given us(what that grace is as revealed in His Word) and use it.
In the case of mountains that grace is the authority to speak to mountains, not climb them. |
2nd May 2012, 03:02 PM
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ps in the original greek the word mountain in Mark 11 means a literal mountain. can you give me evidence that you have literally moved a literal mountain? because if we are to take scripture literally that is what the word 'mountain' in Mark 11 is - a literal mountain.
have you ever moved one of those usung the 'faith teaching' you give others Optimax?
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2nd May 2012, 05:15 PM
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Reps: 2,287,151,683,944,507,136 (power: 2,287,151,683,944,524) | | Originally Posted by FoundInGrace if you can not see the value in persevering under trial, which Paul often speaks about and see that that is 'climbing' then you have some funny ideas about the Christian life. Jesus did not speak to His mountain - the Cross but endured it for the prize set before Him. Just like we persever like Him in the trials we are brought to and through by His grace and following His example. If Jesus were to follow your advice we would have no salvation for our sins... think about it a little.
ps in the original greek the word mountain in Mark 11 means a literal mountain. can you give me evidence that you have literally moved a literal mountain? because if we are to take scripture literally that is what the word 'mountain' in Mark 11 is - a literal mountain.
have you ever moved one of those usung the 'faith teaching' you give others Optimax?
Think about this a little.
Jesus is the one that told us to speak to the "mountains".
He also used the illustration of a tree .
Matt 21:21-22
21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree , but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.
22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive. KJV
You mentioned preserving under trail.
Yes that is necessary. In order to "persevere" under trail one must develop patience.
Notice how faith and patience are mentioned together.
When one speaks to the "mountain" or "tree" that is in the way one must have patience for the manifestation.
Jesus said we could speak to a real tree like He did and it would obey.
Have not had the need to speak to a tree to move, but have spoken to some plants that grow a very sticky burr to dry up at the roots and they did.
2 Thess 1:4
4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
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Heb 6:12
12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
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2nd May 2012, 11:00 PM
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Reps: 2,287,151,683,944,507,136 (power: 2,287,151,683,944,524) | | Originally Posted by FoundInGrace have you ever moved a literal mountain or
cursed a fig tree so that it died o?
You must have missed my above post.
I talked about trees.
Literal mountains are not what Jesus is referring to.
Has any Christian even had a need to move a literal mountain?
I don't know.
All of us have the need to remove the "mountains" that life places in our path.
Jesus said for us to speak to them. |
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Reps: 773,572,762,628,804,864 (power: 773,572,762,628,817) | | Originally Posted by Optimax You must have missed my above post.
I talked about trees.
Literal mountains are not what Jesus is referring to.
Has any Christian even had a need to move a literal mountain?
I don't know.
All of us have the need to remove the "mountains" that life places in our path.
Jesus said for us to speak to them.
are you sure Jesus was not meaning a literal mountain? do you not believe what Jesus said about faith as small as a mustard seed being all we need to move a literal mountain. He said it in Mark 11:22-25.
In the original language the word that Jesus used was ὄρει which means mountain in english ie. mountain... literally. But it sounds like you might disagree with Jesus that we cant move literal mountains by faith even though Jesus said we could.
Is your interpretation of the Bible only metaphorical? If so you are missing a whole layer of Bible interpretation in your take on this scripture. Other scriptures you take literally why not this one?
There are also other interpretations of this passage of scripture which say that Jesus was referring to the religious system of the day being overthrown when He talked about moving mountains by His disciples having faith in Him not in legalism for salvation. Do you disagree with this being a possible interpretation also? I can give you links to this interpretation if you like.
are you open to other interpretations of this passage of scripture or only your own?
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Heb 13:21
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Reps: 990,907,167,826,158,080 (power: 990,907,167,826,175) | | Originally Posted by TasManOfGod I think we ought to concentrate on moving little mountains like sickness and disease before we tackle the literal mountains
Little? The WoF point of view continues to amuse me. |
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Reps: 2,287,151,683,944,507,136 (power: 2,287,151,683,944,524) | | Originally Posted by FoundInGrace are you sure Jesus was not meaning a literal mountain? do you not believe what Jesus said about faith as small as a mustard seed being all we need to move a literal mountain. He said it in Mark 11:22-25.
In the original language the word that Jesus used was ὄρει which means mountain in english ie. mountain... literally. But it sounds like you might disagree with Jesus that we cant move literal mountains by faith even though Jesus said we could.
Is your interpretation of the Bible only metaphorical? If so you are missing a whole layer of Bible interpretation in your take on this scripture. Other scriptures you take literally why not this one?
There are also other interpretations of this passage of scripture which say that Jesus was referring to the religious system of the day being overthrown when He talked about moving mountains by His disciples having faith in Him not in legalism for salvation. Do you disagree with this being a possible interpretation also? I can give you links to this interpretation if you like.
are you open to other interpretations of this passage of scripture or only your own?
Faith as small as a mustard seed is a part of how faith works.
The word of God is seed. Even the smallest seed, mustard, when planted by faith principles produces more than enough.
The context is clear.
verse 22. Jesus said:
Mark 11:22
And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. KJV
His subject is "have faith in God", not in a religious system, nor legalism.
Nothing at all mentioned about a religious system or legalism.
Before He said that the conversation was about the fig tree Jesus had cursed.
Verse 23 & 24 Jesus tells us how to have faith in God.
We are to have faith in God according to Jesus by speaking to things that are contrary to us and when we pray believing we receive when we pray not insisting on wanting to believe when we get it.
Mark 11:23-24
23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
KJV
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