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Originally Posted by Frankarmendariz View Post
is it possible to sell your soul to the devil for fame or money or if your in a certain situation? i wouldnt think so since God created you and your soul which means he owns your soul, plus Jesus died for your sins, he suffered for you, he payed the price for you.
if not possible then how could we spiritually
enlighten ourselves if our soul isn't ours?
just to be clear i have no intention of doing so, i have ocd intrusive thoughts about this whole soul issue and was just wondering.
I've seen videos on youtube where stars admit to selling their soul to the devil in order to become successful and famous. I've also heard about musicians channeling spirits to get inspiration for their music and to help them perform. Michael Jackson for one. The way Beyonce talks about her alter ego Sasha Fierce definitely sounds like she's being possessed by a spirit that's performing through her.

I've been researching this issue myself. The whole celebrities selling their soul to the devil, Illuminati, channeling spirits thing. I don't like to be one of those people that believes all these conspiracy theories and ideas that have no real evidence. So I've been looking for real evidence.

I've gone back and forth with my stance on secular music, and for many years have just decided that I will listen to whatever music I enjoy listening to, so long as the lyrics don't conflict with my values, and the melody doesn't seem weird to me. But after finding out that so many artists in the music industry admit to selling their soul to the devil, that some of them seem possessed in their performances, and such, it's making me really rethink my stance on secular music, just for safety's sake.

But I'm still researching this myself. But, to answer your question, I would say, yes. It's possible. It may not be that people are actually selling their soul, but that they're chosing to be the devil's puppet in exchange for fame and fortune, and in the end they will be damned to hell for following satan instead of Jesus.
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Originally Posted by elman View Post
Why would you say the righteous are not saved. If someone lives and never dies--receives eternal life and are called righteous, how do you arrive at their having rejected the truth?
Again, because you don't understand Ezekiel 18, you don't understand what I said. Good day.
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Not a matter of "selling" but rather a matter of choosing over, and over and over and over... to follow "satan" rather than God Almighty.
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we were sold as slaves to sin but jesus paid a tremondous price for us all so we were bought with a price
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Originally Posted by IisJustMe View Post
Again, because you don't understand Ezekiel 18, you don't understand what I said. Good day.
I think I do understand Ezekiel 18 and I think you chose to not understand what it says.
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Originally Posted by elman View Post
I think I do understand Ezekiel 18 and I think you chose to not understand what it says.
We've had this discussion before and you've proven you don't understand it, so why should I continue a useless discussion? To interpret as you do would put it in conflict with virtually every other verse in the Bible as pertains to salvation. Again, Good day.
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Just my 2 cents here on Ezekiel 18

I think that verses 21- 23 sum up pretty well the message of the chapter : )
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Originally Posted by IisJustMe View Post
We've had this discussion before and you've proven you don't understand it, so why should I continue a useless discussion? To interpret as you do would put it in conflict with virtually every other verse in the Bible as pertains to salvation. Again, Good day.
And to interpret as you do would be to ignore what it clearly teaches for the sake of remaining consistent with your own personal theology.
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Originally Posted by docpotter View Post
Just my 2 cents here on Ezekiel 18

I think that verses 21- 23 sum up pretty the message of the chapter : )
Add verse 24 and I agree.
“But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die."
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Originally Posted by elman View Post
And to interpret as you do would be to ignore what it clearly teaches for the sake of remaining consistent with your own personal theology.
Don't look now, but its the theology of God. You hang your entire understanding of salvation and eternal security on one obscure (in relation to these subjects) chapter in the Bible. Sorry, but that is not good exegetical or study method.
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