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24th March 2012, 01:16 AM
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Im making a poll
I just need to know what those who would use this icon prefer...
Should it be called a Hebrew Christian icon
Or an MJ icon
And if MJ what should the description be to distinguish it from the Torah scroll?
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Beautiful picture. Really seems rather cool....and with the New Icon, would there be room to keep their own description? Like a header they could make up?
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I've used that icon for years. It is almost universally known among those who are involved in MJ, and it's genuine - having been found in a very basic form in Jerusalem scratched on many different everyday items dating back to the 1st century I think it was.
It would be good to replace the scroll icon with this one. The scroll lends itself to being misunderstood as a sign relating to Torah observance. It could then be used by those MJ who want to make it clear they are Torah observant on our threads
If you give it a title other than MJ it will cause a lot of confusion within the movement.
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I just need to know what those who would use this icon prefer...
Should it be called a Hebrew Christian icon
Or an MJ icon
And if MJ what should the description be to distinguish it from the Torah scroll? Messianic Seal (Messianic Christianity)
Hey Tish,
Is this to be used to help distinguish the Torah observant from the non-Torah observant? If so, which would use the new icon?
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Reps: 2,378,741,296,857,442,816 (power: 2,378,741,296,857,459) | | Originally Posted by Avodat I've used that icon for years. It is almost universally known among those who are involved in MJ, and it's genuine - having been found in a very basic form in Jerusalem scratched on many different everyday items dating back to the 1st century I think it was.
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Indeed, it is a wonderful icon. I think I've seen similar before, although I didn't pay much attention to it since most MJish places seem to use the Menorah or another symbol. But the new icon is more complete, showing the unity between Judaism, Christianity and the Love for Israel (i.e. Star of David, The Fish Symbol used in the Early Church, and the Menorah symbolic of the TREE of Life).
It would be good to replace the scroll icon with this one. The scroll lends itself to being misunderstood as a sign relating to Torah observance. It
I think the issue with the scroll icon is that most seeing it automatically assume (As Tishri noted) that all others are on the same level of Observance as they are. Observance, of course, was never the issue since all here are of the mindset (to my knowledge) that Torah is precious/should be observed.
Some of what I'm noting is in regards to what was said before in another thread ( # 116 # 125 , # 129 and # 135 ) when suggestions were given for mini-titles others could have to distinguish where they were at in their own walks with the Lord...one of the names I suggested concerning those with a Ruth-Like calling being taken up by another member.
It could then be used by those MJ who want to make it clear they are Torah observant on our threads
I think the only real issue is that many using it would be confused as supporting the Church, in regards to the Fish symbol that was often used in support of it. For those that have been vehemently against it as opposed to others who're Bridge Builders between the Church and Jewish culture, things could be misunderstood. The Torah scroll would seem more appropriate, IMHO, on those who say their sole focus is observance of Torah.... If you give it a title other than MJ it will cause a lot of confusion within the movement
You misunderstand me, IMHO, as I was thinking of a title in the form of the mini self-descriptions others give themselves...
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Reps: 1,038,960,584,002,287,104 (power: 1,038,960,584,002,292) | | Originally Posted by Easy G (G²) Indeed, it is a wonderful icon. I think I've seen similar before, although I didn't pay much attention to it since most MJish places seem to use the Menorah or another symbol. But the new icon is more complete, showing the unity between Judaism, Christianity and the Love for Israel (i.e. Star of David, The Fish Symbol used in the Early Church, and the Menorah symbolic of the TREE of Life).
I think the issue with the scroll icon is that most seeing it automatically assume (As Tishri noted) that all others are on the same level of Observance as they are. Observance, of course, was never the issue since all here are of the mindset (to my knowledge) that Torah is precious/should be observed.
Some of what I'm noting is in regards to what was said before in another thread ( # 116 # 125 , # 129 and # 135 ) when suggestions were given for mini-titles others could have to distinguish where they were at in their own walks with the Lord...one of the names I suggested concerning those with a Ruth-Like calling being taken up by another member.
I think the only real issue is that many using it would be confused as supporting the Church, in regards to the Fish symbol that was often used in support of it. For those that have been vehemently against it as opposed to others who're Bridge Builders between the Church and Jewish culture, things could be misunderstood. The Torah scroll would seem more appropriate, IMHO, on those who say their sole focus is observance of Torah.... You misunderstand me, IMHO, as I was thinking of a title in the form of the mini self-descriptions others give themselves...
a) That is what I was sort of suggesting.
b) I was not relating my post to anything you had said. I think the need for a few words could be covered by our signature area, if we wish to do it (I do not because most people know who / what I am since I gave that ill advised testimony).
In general I am not sure people would 'see' the fish immediately. I have the symbol as a 9 inch high logo on a part of what I wear for very special ecumenical occasions (normally I don't even bother with a 'dog collar - they are horrible things) and people tend to see the Menorah, mostly, at first glance. Some will see the Menorah & Star but I've had very few comment on the fact that a fish is there! Messianics will obviously see all three components. Some have asked whether it relates to Old and New Testaments - because they fail to see the Star in the middle! |
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Reps: 5,630,246,762,927,838,208 (power: 5,630,246,762,927,854) | | Originally Posted by Avodat I've used that icon for years. It is almost universally known among those who are involved in MJ, and it's genuine - having been found in a very basic form in Jerusalem scratched on many different everyday items dating back to the 1st century I think it was.
It would be good to replace the scroll icon with this one. The scroll lends itself to being misunderstood as a sign relating to Torah observance. It could then be used by those MJ who want to make it clear they are Torah observant on our threads
If you give it a title other than MJ it will cause a lot of confusion within the movement.
I don't think this is to be used to replace the Torah scroll.
As far as the OP, Tish, I will tell you something I remember from awhile back. When this was first discovered, (I have the book) it was believed to have maybe have been a symbol for the early believers (Jewish). I think we have gone through this discussion before.
Later on this was marketed by Gentiles as the 'grafted in' symbol. I don't see as how this is so but that is what brought a lot of bucks in for those selling it as such.
I recall hearing when selling my art at a MJ Convention where I had this symbol on something that this wasn't for Jews as it was referred to as the Grafted in symbol (I was not calling it that but others were and this is the best well known name nowadays for it) and she as a Jewish believer was not 'Grafted in'. I think you will find that sentiment across the board.
I also don't think for Hebrew Christians to have this would go down well either. I would not use it.
Perhaps those that don't want to use the Scroll as their torah observance is limited would want this but why are we kowtowing to only a few or only one that I know of that needs to have their own icon?
I don't understand the purpose of having another icon, if that could be included in the OP then maybe we can help with this. ??
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As far as the OP, Tish, I will tell you something I remember from awhile back. When this was first discovered, (I have the book) it was believed to have maybe have been a symbol for the early believers (Jewish). I think we have gone through this discussion before.
Later on this was marketed by Gentiles as the 'grafted in' symbol. I don't see as how this is so but that is what brought a lot of bucks in for those selling it as such.
I recall hearing when selling my art at a MJ Convention where I had this symbol on something that this wasn't for Jews as it was referred to as the Grafted in symbol (I was not calling it that but others were and this is the best well known name nowadays for it) and she as a Jewish believer was not 'Grafted in'. I think you will find that sentiment across the board.
I also don't think for Hebrew Christians to have this would go down well either. I would not use it. Perhaps those that don't want to use the Scroll as their torah observance is limited would want this but why are we kowtowing to only a few or only one that I know of that needs to have their own icon?
I don't understand the purpose of having another icon, if that could be included in the OP then maybe we can help with this. ??
I hesitate to post in response since I mostly get shot for bothering (that is metaphorically speaking of course). But would you please enlarge on this section? How do you know it is only a few from all posters - the OP is not very old? Which one person have you in mind? I was going to ask if you had an objection to Romans 11:17 but then I remembered who the author was. | | |
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