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21st March 2012, 10:29 AM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | The Syriac Orthodox Church of Antioch I will focus on the Mesopotamian/Middle Eastern part of the church here and not the one in India which is also part of the whole.
First of all, the church has little to do with modern Syria (the Syrian Arab Republic, country since 1936) and most of its population, even though a good chunk of Syriac Orthodox adherents live there today. The church name was actually officially changed from Syrian to Syriac in English to not be confused with the Syrian Arab Republic and its muslim population.
Most of the adherents of the church are originally from what today is southeast Turkey, an area we call Tur Abdin (meaning: mountain of the servants (of God))... Tur Abdin is our Holy Mountain, in the soil of which are buried the precious remains of our fathers, the saints, ascetics, and martyrs. Tur Abdin truly means everything to us. In other words it is a summary and complete example of the history of our Syriac Church. Therefore the love of Tur Abdin has a special place in our hearts. The ancient monasteries and churches are sacred to us….We regard Tur Abdin as a holy site, second only to Jerusalem, and look on our visits there as pilgrimages. - Mor Ignatius Zakka I Iwas, Patriarch of the Syriac Orthodox Church of Antioch and All the East
Edessa and Diyarbakir in Turkey are the names of two other places that used to have big Syriac populations. Many have fled Tur Abdin and the other two places after continuous curse-like persecution though. Some fled to neighboring countries (Syria, Lebanon, etc.), especially in late 1800/early 1900, while some stayed in Tur Abdin.
In later years (1950 and onward) many have fled yet again (both those who fled to neighboring countries earlier and those who stayed in Turkey), this time to Europe/America (especially to Sweden and Germany). Very few remain in Tur Abdin today compared to before even though some families have started to return.
"Tur Abdin" is in the Syriac language. Syriac is the Aramaic dialect of the Mesopotamian city of Edessa (lies in Turkey today). We use Syriac in our liturgy, not Arabic. We speak a modern form of Syriac (Western Neo-Syriac), not Arabic (but unfortunately some of the adherents who fled to Arabic speaking countries speak Arabic only today).
Ethnically we are the native/indigenous people of upper Mesopotamia, having been there long before the Turks, Arabs, and Kurds came. Some adherents unfortunately disagree with each other about exactly which ancient people we are the descendants of. Some believe our ethnicity is Assyrian while some believe it is Aramean. Some just want to be Syriacs. In Syriac we all call ourselves "Suryoyo" (singular) and "Suryoye" (plural) though.
To be continued. Questions and discussion is obviously welcome.
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22nd March 2012, 10:28 PM
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Malankara Archdiocese of the Syrian Orthodox Church in North America: malankara.com
Northeast American Diocese of the Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church: neamericandiocese.org
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23rd March 2012, 04:43 AM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | It's the Indian part of the church so I'm no expert but... Meanwhile the Church at Malabar (Kerala) established in the 1st century, weakened during the period of about 300 years succeeding the Apostle’s death, mainly because there had been none to succeed the priests ordained by St.Thomas. It was while the Christians of Malabar remained in this unsatisfactory condition that Mor Joseph the Bishop of Edessa (a place in the eastern border of the Roman Empire), had a dream regarding the sad situation of the Church at Malabar. He informed this to the Bishop-Patriarch of Jerusalem who consulted the other Bishops as to what should be done in this matter. (It was in consideration of the importance of the Holy City of Jerusalem, the Metropolitan of Jerusalem came to be known as the 'fifth Patriarch of Christendom', who was a subordinate to the Patriarch of Antioch as mentioned in the Universal Synods). The Jerusalem Metropolitan deputed one Thomas a native of Cana, a respectable merchant then living at Jerusalem to ascertain the condition of the Christians of Malabar. This Thomas on reaching the Malabar Coast found a good number of Christians wearing the badges of their religion and from them he ascertained about their condition. On his return he explained about the Christians at Malabar and all what he saw, to the Bishop of Jerusalem.
Consequent to this, the Church Synod held under the Patriarch of Antioch & all the East, immediately decided to send a delegation to Malabar (Kerala) and accordingly in AD 345, around 400 odd persons from 72 families comprising men, women and children, reached Cragananore (Kodungalloore) under the leadership of the merchant, Thomas of Cana. The group consisted of the Bishop Mor Joseph of Edessa as well as some priests and deacons. (Edessa was in the eastern boundary of Roman Empire and not in Persia as claimed by some people. More about the authenticity of ancient narrations such as 'Anecdote Syria' etc, that was originally came into existence only in the 16th century and which wrongly states that it was Catholicos of the Persia who sent the delegation and they fled to India fearing the persecution of Persians, and such, will be published soon).
It was as a consequence of this Syrian migration of Knanaites, the entire Christians in Kerala, came to be called SYRIAN CHRISTIANS, as they came under the Syrian Patriarch of Antioch who had jurisdiction over all the East and thus began using the rituals and liturgies of the Syrian Church of Antioch.
Much later (20th century)... Within a short period, the schisms in the Malankara Church reached a flash point and brought forth the unfortunate division in the Jacobite Syrian Church. While many from the three southern dioceses sided with Wattessril Mor Dionysius, almost the entire northerners continued to be the part of the Universal Syrian Orthodox Church under the Holy See of Antioch. The group led by the Wattasseril Mor Dionysius came to be called as 'Methran Kakshi' (Bishop's Party) and the those who continued to be faithful to the Holy throne of Antioch were mentioned as 'Bava Kakshi' (Patriarch's Party). While the 'Bava Kakshi' continued to be known as Malankara Jacobite Syrian Church, the 'Methran Kakshi' by the middle of 1920's adopted the name first as 'Orthodox Syrian Church of Malabar' and then 'Orthodox Syrian Church' after the adoption of a constitution in 1934, for their group.
After the split in 1911, Kochuparambil Mor Kurilose Paulose who was ordained together with Wattesseril Bishop, was elected as the Malankara Metropolitan of the Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church of Kerala and after him Mor Athanasius Paulose the Great (entombed at Thrikkunnathu Seminary) was chosen as Malankara Metropolitan and his Grace continued to be in that privileged position till his demise.
Though many peace negotiations were going on from the days of the split, it become more significant with the arrival of Patriarch of Antioch Mor Ignatius Elias III in 1931. He created a favourable atmosphere by canceling the excommunication of Wattesseril Mor Dionysius and tried his best to heal the breach. His Holiness did not spare any effort to bring about peace in Malankara but unfortunately he passed away before fulfilling his desire and was buried at Manjinikkara and his tomb church is now a major pilgrim centre of Malankara Syrian Christians. In 1964, Patriarch Moran Mor Ignatius Yakub-III arrived in Malankara and ordained Mor Augen as Catholicos of the East-'Mor Baselius Augen-I'. Thus, the Catholicate was established in India with its administrative jurisdiction limited to this nation, as per the decision of Universal Episcopal Synod held at Kottayam, presided by the Patriarch Ignatius Yakub-III of Antioch and attended by all the bishops of the Syrian Orthodox Church in India, and bishops from the Middle East who had accompanied the Patriarch.
A new era of peace and unity started with it, which continued for some years. But by the seventies, Catholicos Mar Augen under pressure from the extremists in his group, began to claim that he was sitting on the throne of St. Thomas and declared equality with his superior, the Patriarch of Antioch and all the East. And also fundamental changes were made in the history and faith of the Malankara Church that was followed for centuries, in order to suit their needs, particularly in the Sunday Schools and other such organizations. These new twisting to the facts, hurt not only the Syrian Christians of Malankara but also the Patriarch who had brought peace to the Church in India.
So basically one group acknowledges the Syriac Orthodox Patriarch as the primate (your first link) while another acknowledges the Catholicos of the East as the primate (your second link).
I'm sure that the faction (second link) who aren't fully part of our church will disagree with what I quoted above and tell another story about the split.
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23rd March 2012, 05:22 AM
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St Ignatius I Nurono (the Illuminator) was born in 35 AD in Antioch and was the third patriarch of Antioch. There are sources who say that St Peter himself chose St Ignatius as his successor before going to Rome. St Peter actually ordained two bishops, St Evodius and St Ignatius. St Evodius was bishop for non-Jews who became Christians while St Ignatius was bishop for the Jews who became Christians.
When St Evodius died St Ignatius took his place as patriarch and since then until the church split there was only one leading bishop in Antioch at a time.
In the Syriac church we have two groups singing during mass, one to the left of where the priest is and one to the right. The reason for that is because of a vision St Ignatius had of heaven where he saw angels worship God in two groups, the right one representing the prophets and the left one representing the apostles.
So our patriarchs add the name Ignatius to honor St Ignatius, the third patriarch of Antioch.
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5th April 2012, 04:38 AM
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The white symbolises the divine while the red symbolises the human. When Mother Mary became pregnant with Jesus the human and divine united.
On Easter day or the day after we cut it off and burn the threads.
I don't think the other Oriental Orthodox churches have this tradition?
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7th April 2012, 01:10 PM
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It is interesting that both those Malankara dioceses use the Gregorian paschalion to fix Easter.
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Mockingbird0 It is interesting that both those Malankara dioceses use the Gregorian paschalion to fix Easter.
Yeah, they changed to the Gregorian calendar in 1953.
The main church's Christmas dates are also by the Gregorian calendar. The Great Lent and Week of Passion, however, are by the Julian calendar.
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St Gabriel, maybe the most popular Syriac saint of the Syriac church (he’s up there with St Ephrem the Syrian), was born in 594 in Beth-Qustan in Tur Abdin. His family was Christian and as a child he performed very well in school and because of his good behavior he was ordained a deacon in church at an early age.
As a young man his family wanted him to get married and start a family but he refused since the life of a monk appealed to him. He went to church to ask for God to hear his will and at 15 years of age he left home one night when his parents were asleep and visited a monk, the old hermit named Gewargis who performed miracles and lived in a monastery where St Gabriel stayed and later made his vows to became a monk.
He practiced strict Asceticism, always fasting and sleeping only two hours a night. The rest of the time he spent kneeling, praying, weeping, reading, and singing psalms. Monks and visitors saw him walking barefoot at all times, even in winter. He did it to keep his humility. Blood was often flowing from his feet.
After 7 years in the monastery, because of disturbance from relatives who wanted him to ease his way of living, St Gabriel didn’t want to stay in the monastery and got the blessing from monk Gewargis to leave the monastery and head to the St Shemoun (Simon) monastery, today called the St Gabriel Monastery (Mor Gabriel, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mor_Gabriel_Monastery) as a tribute, one of the oldest monasteries left standing in the world.
When the monks saw his strict living in the new monastery he was eventually chosen as the abbot of the monastery and thus received the task to lead it. He was like a loving father to the others in the monastery and a big spiritual source and many miracles occurred through him, even after his death. We say that St Gabriel, during his 74 years of living, performed more miracles than anyone else ever has, our Lord Jesus Christ included. Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do
When the patriarch and bishops saw his zeal he was ordained bishop of the diocese of Tur Abdin.
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