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Old 22nd March 2012, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Genersis View Post
Here we go again, with the atheist conspiracy theories.
I was not saying atheists are out to destroy Christianity. Overall atheists don't think enough about religion to care one way or the other*.

This is what I think contributes a major way towards atheists and agnostics in Australia being more sympathetic in their behaviour towards Muslims:
Australian culture was built on Judeo-Christian background. These laws, attitudes, practices and so on are displeasing to atheists who want to live their life of sin**.

Then along come along Muslim immigrants. They claim under-dog status and oppression. They also claim "peace peace, we just want to live in peace...." (yes vast majority of cultural Muslims genuinely want this).

Australian atheists naively fall for this mind game. They think they'll not be hassled by Muslims as much as those goody-two-shoes christians/jews who still care about (shock horror) morals in the 21st century!!!! Too bad that they don't think to look overseas at places wherever Muslims numbers grow friction and calls for Sharia Law increase.... like what is happening in Australia right now. Sharia can coexist western law in Australia - The Australian

*Same for many christians going by the responses of some on this AU/NZ board.

**Translation into PC:
- live and let live
- who are we to judge between right and wrong
- what is good for one person may not be good for another (and vice versa)
- you go your own way and I'll go mine
- (last but not least) deliberate misuse of Matthew 7:1 "judge not lest ye be judged" to shut the more easily intimidated christians up
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Originally Posted by tBCfC View Post
You really don't understand do you?

You made a statement. I think you lied and I called on you to back it up with evidence (so far ignored - surprise surprise!).

That's a very different thing from defending the church.
I was to lazy to show you the evidence, still am.
Maybe you can look here https://www.google.com.au/
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Originally Posted by tBCfC View Post
How could anyone be offended on behalf of Jesus if they honestly believe that he is infinitely powerful and above all that human vanity? I presume you did not believe what you read of Jesus when he said "turn the other cheek"?

And, no. I am not offended if the Catholic church is insulted. The church is big enough and ugly enough to look after itself and I am strong enough to form my own opinions.
You definitely do not have the heart of the writer of Psalm 119.

Teach me, O LORD, the way of your statutes;
and I will keep it to the end.
Give me understanding, that I may keep your law
and observe it with my whole heart.
Lead me in the path of your commandments,
for I delight in it.
Incline my heart to your testimonies,
and not to selfish gain!
Turn my eyes from looking at worthless things;
and give me life in your ways.
(Psalm 119:33-37)

The insolent smear me with lies,
but with my whole heart I keep your precepts;
their heart is unfeeling like fat,
but I delight in your law.
(Psalm 119:69-70)

I hate the double-minded,
but I love your law.
(Psalm 119:113)
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Saying we shouldn't care (which is different from trying to stop freedom-of-speech) when Jesus is mocked is empty in the context of this forum.

People come here to discuss stuff. On topic here is wether it is okay to mock Jesus with an advert.

If that's a problem for anyone here, please don't come to the forum.
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To some degree Tbcfc is correct in her summation. Christians are not to defend God, God clearly states He will do that for Himself and by Himself.
My point of the thread was to show Christians how the world treats Christianity today. I was hoping for discussions from other Christians relating to the slipping relational standard with the world and to highlight the every increasing contempt for Christianity.

Nobody has protested in the streets nobody has burned a can of cola, a few people me included are offended. Is that wrong. Thought I would discuss it with other Christians

It highlights the NON live and let live attitude of the average atheist here. I can see a day again when Christians will be not just hated but persecuted.
In suprises me a little that there is absoloutely no middle ground given by atheists, no, I think its a little offensive and in poor taste but its not to bad.
The whole 100% attitude is antagonistic toward our faith.
For people who say they are nice fair minded and accepting... well.
It reflects upon them more than us.
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Originally Posted by Born to Watch View Post
Christians are not to defend God, God clearly states He will do that for Himself and by Himself.
Isn't christian apologetics defending the faith in all areas, not just doctrinal or philosophical areas?

Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called and about which you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses. (1 Timothy 6:12)

preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. (2 Timothy 4:2)
It highlights the NON live and let live attitude of the average atheist here. I can see a day again when Christians will be not just hated but persecuted.
In suprises me a little that there is absoloutely no middle ground given by atheists.....
You got the honest response online because of relative anonymity. In real life the words may have been toned done a little.
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The faith and the word indeed need our attention. I wont deny that, I wont deny this add disappoints me and makes me yearn for home, yearn for Jesus.
Yet defend God, no.


"Uzzah put out His hand to the ark of God and took hold of it, for the oxen stumbled. Then the anger of the Lord was aroused against Uzzah, and God struck him there for his error." 2 Samuel 6:6-7

Will you argue God’s case for Him? -Job 13:7-8

God is Creator we are the created. The reality of that relationship speaks clearly to me.
I cant defend God to those he allows to fall.

From Judges
When the men of the town rose early in the morning, behold, the altar of Baal was broken down... And after they had made search and inquired, they said, "Gideon the son of Joash has done this thing." Then the men of the town said to Joash, "Bring out your son, that he may die, for he has pulled down the altar of Baal and cut down the Asherah beside it." But Joash said to all who were arrayed against him, "Will you contend for Baal? Or will you defend his cause? Whoever contends for him shall be put to death by morning. If he is a god, let him contend for himself, because his altar has been pulled down." (6:28-31)

and an atheist comment re the passage
Rare for the Bible, this passage makes a persuasive and well-reasoned argument. If Baal is a god, especially the kind of actively involved god who's performing miracles and answering the prayers of his followers, he should be able to defend his own interests. He shouldn't need humans to serve as his agents, enforcing what they believe to be his will and punishing people who go against his decrees. And if Baal never intervenes directly and it's only his believers who are ever seen to act on his behalf, wouldn't we be justified in concluding that Baal probably doesn't exist? http://www.daylightatheism.org/2011/...verses-xv.html

and of course the atheist is correct. If God is then God will.

We have a promise from God on that day, the “Yom Yahweh”, but not until that day.

Hope you can see where I am coming from
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I think we are seeing the same coin but you are seeing the head side - the sovereignty of God - and I was looking at the tail side - our role in following God's commands and defending the faith.

I hope that makes sense.
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Originally Posted by joey_downunder View Post
I think we are seeing the same coin but you are seeing the head side - the sovereignty of God - and I was looking at the tail side - our role in following God's commands and defending the faith.

I hope that makes sense.
I agree we have to defend our faith.

but only to a certain point, hence why I am happy to let some things go with certain people around these parts.

Fight the good fight of the faith. I just wonder when the fight isnt good with some anymore.
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Why are you telling -me- to lighten up when you're comparing my onion to Islmic Jihad?
Onion?

You HAVE lightened up!
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