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24th March 2012, 08:11 AM
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Reps: 170,687,176,442,555,872 (power: 170,687,176,442,558) | | Originally Posted by TheQuietRiot Dag is attempting to draw peace between you and non sequitur and your answer to him is "Now run along and decree something to somebody else." If this man was attempting to resolve your conflict with another in person would you be so arrogant to say that to his face? I doubt it.
Besides, people mock christianity all the time, they mock religion all the time. Are you going to get insulted and ruffle your feathers everytime someone makes even such a light-hearted joke such as on the Red Bull advert?
You would spend half your earthly life offended brother!
People have a right to joke about what they want, talk about what they want. People also have a right to be offended, but you just because you are offended doesn't mean you can tell others what to do! Grow some thicker skin.
Didn't you just do everything you accused him of? I could argue that TheDag ended his reply with a jab.
Everyone, Christian or otherwise, has a right to an opinion in this section. I think no-one's disputing that.
I think it's belittling to say that his "feathers are ruffled," and the like. The poor guy is just trying to debate on a forum. His opinion counts too - let it be.
There's a difference between questioning one's motivations and outright demanding their exit.
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24th March 2012, 09:41 AM
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Reps: 17,919,186,382,851,936 (power: 17,919,186,382,855) | | Originally Posted by TheQuietRiot Dag is attempting to draw peace between you and non sequitur and your answer to him is "Now run along and decree something to somebody else." If this man was attempting to resolve your conflict with another in person would you be so arrogant to say that to his face? I doubt it.
Besides, people mock christianity all the time, they mock religion all the time. Are you going to get insulted and ruffle your feathers everytime someone makes even such a light-hearted joke such as on the Red Bull advert?
You would spend half your earthly life offended brother!
People have a right to joke about what they want, talk about what they want. People also have a right to be offended, but you just because you are offended doesn't mean you can tell others what to do! Grow some thicker skin.
Brother I can question and criticise a Christian, I can not the same a non christian. Thats biblical. To his face, yes, to his face. No question.
I dont see that advert a light hearted joke. In my Spirit I see it as an attack on the deity of Jesus.
Where will it stop, do you care. What other products will Jesus be used to sell.
and Dags is not attempting to solve anything, he made invalid comments on something he had no part in. It wasnt his business.
As I stated earlier like it or not. I am offended by this add, I am offended the Jesus is being mocked. To sell cola. Sorry if my opinion is not acceptable to you Mr Riot. Sorry that I have to validate my opinion through you as well as Dags and all the atheists here.
I havnt suggested other Christians should be offended, I am though. I believe they should be but I am sure I havnt suggested they should be.
If I wasnt offended by this, I would question my Christianity. The offense of this world encourages my yearning to be with Jesus.
If this world doesnt offend your Christianity then you should search where you are at.
And the deeper in Jesus I get the thinner my skin gets. This world killed Jesus and its killing me. I am praising God that I can see the world for what it is and I want Him to call me home.
The time is coming when Jesus will return. I can hardly wait any longer.
Thicker skin I had, now I have Jesus
Addendum
Hey Mr Riot I just noticed you are new. Take what I said with a pinch of salt.
Some people irk me with their arrogance around her and have done for awhile.
Enjoy, its not always like this, well yeah it is.
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24th March 2012, 11:15 AM
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24th March 2012, 02:38 PM
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Reps: 76,486,472,182,191,968 (power: 76,486,472,182,195) | | Originally Posted by Born to Watch Victim complex....Oh please
Yeah. Probably also a bit of a martyr complex, too... Originally Posted by Born to Watch Terry Pratchet? Writes story books for kids??
And you've got a book written by primitive Bronze Age goat herders, as a life manual.
So what? It's a good quote, regardless of who wrote it. Originally Posted by Born to Watch Read my comments re Calvinist and tell Terry his talking nonsense as far as I am concerned.
You are here to antagonise to say otherwise shows us who your father is. 
Blah, blah, blah.
I was trying to understand why you saw it that way for pages, but all you did was fight me every step of the way.
It is you who created this issue.
It's people like you that keep the divide and help to hold back mankind from even trying to progress. However, you are fought every step of the way and are a dying breed. Originally Posted by Born to Watch Yes I agree, we disagree. Lets move on.
Agreed.
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24th March 2012, 03:00 PM
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Reps: 74,544,198,281,370 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Blessedj01 Originally Posted by TheDag  Well I'll just say this. Your inability to do something does not mean others are incapable of doing so. When I watched the Jesus film i was not in any way worshipping or revering the actor so it is not idolatry. It's not wether I can or can't, it's that I don't want to. I realise that some people are mature enough to know the difference between an actor and the real Jesus, but I still believe it is prohibited in the Bible to make any images of Jesus.
This attitude [bolded above] seems to be more appropriate to Islam than Christianity. Islam forbids images of Allah for the reason that he is ineffable.
Have you ever been to a Catholic Church? Have you notice the stained glass windows, artwork, statues? Many of the are of Jesus.
Have you ever seen a crucifix?
Why, a couple of the posters here even have a pictures of Jesus carrying others or being depicted "behind the scenes" helping people.
Do you object to those? Also, you may not think you were directly worshipping or revering "the actor," but you watched the film with an imaginary depiction based on a presently-living man and that was the image you had in your head while you watched that film. You may be mature enough to cast that aside but a lot of people are not
Even children have no problem discerning actors from real life. Your point is very weak. - this is an obvious source of ridicule and misunderstanding on behalf of non-Christians, so surely we should see the fruit that images bear and stop making images of Jesus, despite what good intentions we may have had.
Despite what any good intentions someone has when they make an image of Jesus, they draw upon that image - wether they like to admit it or not - when they are thinking about Jesus in that context.
The Word is enough. Argueing we need to make motion pictures based on Jesus' life using actors, is argueing against what the Bible says - that His Word carries Truth and Life and doesn't need our technological advancements to convey it's message. In fact, in a lot of cases I think it does the exact opposite - confirming in the unbelievers hearts that we believe a bunch of myths.
There's plenty of evidence from the Bible that says that we shouldn't be making any kinds of pictures, films or sculptures of Jesus or The Father. We only have to look at world religions that revere such idols to know that the fruit it bears is not good.
Your attitude is more closely aligned to Islam than Christianity.
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24th March 2012, 03:10 PM
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Reps: 74,544,198,281,370 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Born to Watch I dont see that advert a light hearted joke. In my Spirit I see it as an attack on the deity of Jesus.
It's okay to see it that way as long as you agree that it should not be censored.
Everyone has different ideas of what is funny and what is not. If we begin to censor things on the basis that they might offend some people's religious sensibilities then we would really be no better than the extremist Islamic states. They might be very pious, but I would not want to live there! I havnt suggested other Christians should be offended, I am though. I believe they should be but I am sure I havnt suggested they should be.
A very healthy and mature attitude!
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24th March 2012, 06:18 PM
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Reps: 112,107,453,646,654,432 (power: 112,107,453,646,669) | | Originally Posted by Born to Watch Why was this thread put in the wrong section Dags? I am happy for atheist comments.
Just prefer that they showed a little thought, a little balance.
As others may like as well.
Well this is a change. Numerous times in numerous threads you have said this is a christian forum and questioned why they are here with the clear implication they should not be and that if they are that this being a christian forum should determine what kinds of comments they can make. As in they should not question you.
I already said why this was in the wrongsection. You yourself said it was christian news so it is in the wrong section. There is a christian news & current events section. Originally Posted by Born to Watch Non sequitur constant endless comments are fairly inane and pointless. He has made his opinion clear and is welcome to them.
The question is why is he carrying on and on and on.
read post 86 and then your post 87 and tell me how you answered the question politely asked in post #86. Non sequiter later once again explained he was trying to understand your view yet you seem to have dismissed that. You just repeated the dictionary definition which he could not see how it applied. That is not answering the question. Originally Posted by Born to Watch We disagree yet he cant stop with the drivel, and if I choose to let it go I am accused of not answering questions.
Sorry but you do have a habit of not answering questions unless pushed. I still don't understand how the ad is mocking christianity. With the definition you provided I can not see how every single definition applies to this add. I can clearly see what doesn't. Perhaps it is because you have a different definition of other words like another poster and I have a different understanding of idolatry. Originally Posted by Born to Watch So Dags its the right section and his comments are valid, its his constant harping on and on that is the issue.
Now run along and decree something to somebody else.
if his comments are valid why do you just automatically dismiss them because he is an athiest?
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Reps: 170,687,176,442,555,872 (power: 170,687,176,442,558) | | Originally Posted by tBCfC This attitude [bolded above] seems to be more appropriate to Islam than Christianity. Islam forbids images of Allah for the reason that he is ineffable.
It's expressly forbidden in the Bible that we make graven images of God. It has nothing to do with ineffability, though that should count too. This is the second time you've insulted me by comparing me with an Islamist, which is really not appropriate at all. If you disagree with me doctrinally, fine, but don't attempt to slander me. Have you ever been to a Catholic Church? Have you notice the stained glass windows, artwork, statues? Many of the are of Jesus.
Have you ever seen a crucifix?
Why, a couple of the posters here even have a pictures of Jesus carrying others or being depicted "behind the scenes" helping people.
Do you object to those?
Yes! Wow, are you surprised? You are a Catholic and you have no problem with it - I completely disagree with your position on that. I would go so far as to say it is an abomination but I don't expect you to take my word for it. Even children have no problem discerning actors from real life. Your point is very weak.
It's not about wether they can discern an actor from "real life" (which makes no sense as no-one alive today has ever seen Jesus in real life, nor was his image recorded), it's about the consequences of making images of Jesus - of which, I assume you believe there are none. Your attitude is more closely aligned to Islam than Christianity.
Well, I would say that your attitude is closely aligned with arrogance.
We will not agree on this topic, so we might as well not bother arguing about it. Especially as you resort to name-calling and denigration every time you debate a subject.
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24th March 2012, 08:17 PM
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I expect a contrary argument. What I dont understand is why they all go on and on and on and question everything over and over and over again.
I am hated because I preach Jesus and it makes them angry.
The dictionary definition was the answer. It was adequate and sufficient. That was my answer. If its not good enough for you, build that bridge.
I also dont answer questions I have answered, if they read what I have previously posted they would see an answer. Not the answer they want but an answer.
Non Seqs comments are valid, but as an atheist they are opposed to mine, so I dismiss them as irrelevant to me. Not in the broader context of the thread. I cant do that as I am only one person.
As for Non seq...What does he want to do, what does he want from me, why ask that question? To analyse me. Yeeah right he is the atheist at a Christian forum...No thanks, he needs the analysing
Read his comments in context. He states I read a Bronze age goat herders book tells me I have a martyrs complex and then states kindly
"It's people like you that keep the divide and help to hold back mankind from even trying to progress. However, you are fought every step of the way and are a dying breed. "
Clearly Non Seqs intentions are not mending any relationships.
Progress starts with respect and according to Non Seq I have no reason to expect it so in relation no reason to return it.
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24th March 2012, 08:34 PM
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Reps: 76,486,472,182,191,968 (power: 76,486,472,182,195) | | Originally Posted by Born to Watch This in NOT a change Dags. Dont fabricate your argument Dags.
I expect a contrary argument. What I dont understand is why they all go on and on and on and question everything over and over and over again.
I am hated because I preach Jesus and it makes them angry.
Well, I don't hate you, so you should take that up with whoever does. Originally Posted by Born to Watch The dictionary definition was the answer. It was adequate and sufficient. That was my answer. If its not good enough for you, build that bridge.
I also dont answer questions I have answered, if they read what I have previously posted they would see an answer. Not the answer they want but an answer.
The dictionary had 6 definitions, with sub-definitions for each and it's reasonable to wonder if you mean each one.
If they were all applicable, you shouldn't have taken pages upon pages to say so.
Your lack of patience, and ability to respond, when someone it nicely asking for clarification is not my problem.
Although, it does make you look dodgy... Originally Posted by Born to Watch As for Non seq...What does he want to do, what does he want from me, why ask that question? To analyse me. Yeeah right he is the atheist at a Christian forum...No thanks, he needs the analysing
Hey look! A atheist secretly analyzing or something a Christian. [/all an atheist really ever does]
It couldn't be that I was trying to understand you, no.
You are ever so persecuted and should start a charity, for yourself and your kind. Originally Posted by Born to Watch Read his comments in context. He states I read a Bronze age goat herders book tells me I have a martyrs complex and then states kindly
"It's people like you that keep the divide and help to hold back mankind from even trying to progress. However, you are fought every step of the way and are a dying breed. "
Clearly Non Seqs intentions are not mending any relationships.
I was until you got all bent out of shape about it and started insulting me. Figured, mind as well play along and dish it back. Originally Posted by Born to Watch Progress starts with respect and according to Non Seq I have no reason to expect it so in relation no reason to return it.
I hold Non Seq in contempt, but I do show him my respect.
You had it, until, as others have pointed out, you showed me none.
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