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14th March 2012, 08:34 AM
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Reps: 2,792,049,427,566,079 (power: 2,792,049,427,568) | | Originally Posted by NightHawkeye  So ... is that now David Barton's reprehensible lie, Fred? Has Barton accused the founding fathers of being evangelicals? If so, can you provide a reference for that?
Just so we can discuss it in proper context ... exact words can be important to proper understanding. Thanks.
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What really happened is that the House ignored a proposal by the Chaplians to hold divine services every Sunday in the House Chamber. A Century of Lawmaking for a New Nation: U.S. Congressional Documents and Debates, 1774 - 1875
David Barton knows that his target audience probably won't check his references and that those who do will be too dumb to distinguish ignoring from approving. |
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Reps: 2,792,049,427,566,079 (power: 2,792,049,427,568) | | Here's another David Barton lie: The approval of the Capitol for church was given by both the House and the Senate, with House approval being given by Speaker of the House, Theodore Sedgwick, and Senate approval being given by the President of the Senate, Thomas Jefferson. Interestingly, Jefferson's approval came while he was still officially the Vice- President but after he had just been elected President.
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Reps: 1,728,025,454,679,247,104 (power: 1,728,025,454,679,261) | | Originally Posted by Fred In Dallas Do the google, dude. I don't do references.
LOL ... you also aren't much concerned with truth either, it seems. 
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Reps: 1,728,025,454,679,247,104 (power: 1,728,025,454,679,261) | | Originally Posted by Fred In Dallas Here's another David Barton lie: The approval of the Capitol for church was given by both the House and the Senate, with House approval being given by Speaker of the House, Theodore Sedgwick, and Senate approval being given by the President of the Senate, Thomas Jefferson. Interestingly, Jefferson's approval came while he was still officially the Vice- President but after he had just been elected President.
Here's the quote in context, Fred: WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - Church in the U.S. CapitolMany people are surprised to learn that the United States Capitol regularly served as a church building; a practice that began even before Congress officially moved into the building and lasted until well after the Civil War. Below is a brief history of the Capitol's use as a church, and some of the prominent individuals who attended services there.
The cornerstone of the Capitol was laid by President George Washington in 1793., but it was not until the end of 1800 that Congress actually moved into the building. According to the congressional records for late November of 1800, Congress spent the first few weeks organizing the Capitol rooms, committees, locations, etc. Then, on December 4, 1800, Congress approved the use of the Capitol building as a church building. 1
The approval of the Capitol for church was given by both the House and the Senate, with House approval being given by Speaker of the House, Theodore Sedgwick, and Senate approval being given by the President of the Senate, Thomas Jefferson. Interestingly, Jefferson's approval came while he was still officially the Vice- President but after he had just been elected President.
Significantly, the Capitol building had been used as a church even for years before it was occupied by Congress. The cornerstone for the Capitol had been laid on September 18, 1793; two years later while still under construction, the July 2, 1795, Federal Orrery newspaper of Boston reported:
City of Washington, June 19. It is with much pleasure that we discover the rising consequence of our infant city. Public worship is now regularly administered at the Capitol, every Sunday morning, at 11 o'clock by the Reverend Mr. Ralph. 2
The reason for the original use of the Capitol as a church might initially be explained by the fact that there were no churches in the city at that time. Even a decade later in 1803, U. S. Senator John Quincy Adams confirmed: "There is no church of any denomination in this city." 3 The absence of churches in Washington eventually changed, however. As one Washington citizen reported: "For several years after the seat of government was fixed at Washington, there were but two small [wooden] churches. . . . Now, in 1837 there are 22 churches of brick or stone." 4 Yet, even after churches began proliferating across the city, religious services still continued at the Capitol until well after the Civil War and Reconstruction.
For you to call it a "lie" seems disingenuous, Fred. At best, your claim is a quibble about details.
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Reps: 2,792,049,427,566,079 (power: 2,792,049,427,568) | | Originally Posted by NightHawkeye Here's the quote in context, Fred: WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - Church in the U.S. CapitolMany people are surprised to learn that the United States Capitol regularly served as a church building; a practice that began even before Congress officially moved into the building and lasted until well after the Civil War. Below is a brief history of the Capitol's use as a church, and some of the prominent individuals who attended services there.
The cornerstone of the Capitol was laid by President George Washington in 1793., but it was not until the end of 1800 that Congress actually moved into the building. According to the congressional records for late November of 1800, Congress spent the first few weeks organizing the Capitol rooms, committees, locations, etc. Then, on December 4, 1800, Congress approved the use of the Capitol building as a church building. 1
The approval of the Capitol for church was given by both the House and the Senate, with House approval being given by Speaker of the House, Theodore Sedgwick, and Senate approval being given by the President of the Senate, Thomas Jefferson. Interestingly, Jefferson's approval came while he was still officially the Vice- President but after he had just been elected President.
For you to call it a "lie" seems disingenuous, Fred. At best, your claim is a quibble about details.
Dude, he lied. He said the House and Senate approved the use of the Capitol building as a church, but his evidence shows that the House passed on the Chaplains proposal to use the House Chamber for divine services.
BTW, during the early days of the republic the House chamber was used for all sorts of things including lectures by a famous atheist attended by President Monroe and V. P. John Quincy Adams.
The atheist was also granted permission to set up an exhibit in the White House.
The House chamber in 1800 was a small shoddly constructed wood building known as the "Oven." There was a post office deposit box in the chamber and Ms. Bayard Smith writes about how a post office employees would disrupt divine services to collect the mail from the box.  |
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Reps: 1,728,025,454,679,247,104 (power: 1,728,025,454,679,261) | | Originally Posted by Fred In Dallas Dude, he lied. He said the House and Senate approved the use of the Capitol building as a church, but his evidence shows that the House passed on the Chaplains proposal to use the House Chamber for divine services.
Dude, if he "lied" you'd present the rest of the evidence. The likely possibilities are that the evidence isn't as strong as David Barton thought or that he had a faulty reference himself.
You ever made a mistake, Dude? You ever had a faulty reference?
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Reps: 76,377,234,113,742,176 (power: 76,377,234,113,746) | | Originally Posted by NightHawkeye Dude, if he "lied" you'd present the rest of the evidence. The likely possibilities are that the evidence isn't as strong as David Barton thought or that he had a faulty reference himself.
You ever made a mistake, Dude? You ever had a faulty reference?
It always seems hypocritical, to me, that when "the evidence isn't as strong as they thought or there was a faulty reference", for science, they are crucified and flamed...
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14th March 2012, 03:31 PM
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Reps: 2,792,049,427,566,079 (power: 2,792,049,427,568) | | Originally Posted by NightHawkeye Dude, if he "lied" you'd present the rest of the evidence. The likely possibilities are that the evidence isn't as strong as David Barton thought or that he had a faulty reference himself.
You ever made a mistake, Dude? You ever had a faulty reference?
He lied, dude. David Barton is a liar. You can't trust anything he says. His target audience is people who don't care about the truth and you're obviously one of them. |
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