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Unread 29th February 2012, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ThePilgrim
A Catholic priest can't withhold Communion from someone based on what they confess? Are you sure? That seems highly unusual and doesn't fit in with a lot of Church history.

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Unless he heard her confession right before this mass, how does he know what's up with her?

...unless...

The couple are living openly and notoriously as lovers.

That would be the only reason I can see for denying communion.

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Unread 29th February 2012, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by eastcoast_bsc

A priest can be excommunicated for violating the seal of the confessional.
In breaking the seal of confession, a priest self-excommunicates.

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Too much hear say and statements from one side, i.e. the woman who was denied communion.

On issues like this, the dioceses has it right.

Unfortunately today, we even have Extra-Ordinary Eucharistic Ministers on another Catholic website, who think they have the authority to deny people Holy Communion.

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Originally Posted by JimR-OCDS View Post
Too much hear say and statements from one side, i.e. the woman who was denied communion.

On issues like this, the dioceses has it right.
I don't think the problem is communion being refused - or at least, it shouldn't be - but the fact that the priest didn't make this known clearly enough, therefore putting this woman in an awkward position during her mother's funeral.

I have no qualms with this priest refusing to give communion, but there are a lot of crazy stories surrounding him and I think it's part of his job to communicate well with the recently bereaved.
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AND - as I've said before ......

we do not have the full facts of this - there are conflicting stories in the various reports of the 'incident' so we should not be making judgements .
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Originally Posted by Antigone View Post
I don't think the problem is communion being refused - or at least, it shouldn't be - but the fact that the priest didn't make this known clearly enough, therefore putting this woman in an awkward position during her mother's funeral.

I have no qualms with this priest refusing to give communion, but there are a lot of crazy stories surrounding him and I think it's part of his job to communicate well with the recently bereaved.
Oh come on! What was he supposed to do, write it out for her on a post-it note so she wouldn't forget?

Someone hinted it, how do we know she didn't call his bluff?
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Originally Posted by Antigone View Post
I don't think the problem is communion being refused - or at least, it shouldn't be - but the fact that the priest didn't make this known clearly enough, therefore putting this woman in an awkward position during her mother's funeral.

I have no qualms with this priest refusing to give communion, but there are a lot of crazy stories surrounding him and I think it's part of his job to communicate well with the recently bereaved.
The awkward position was the fault of the woman. She SHOULD have known that she could not receive holy communion while in an active gay relationship.

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UPDATE III: Canon lawyer Ed Peters — a frequent commenter on this post — has weighed in on his own blog:
This is what happens when bizarre events (like an admitted practicing lesbian presenting herself for holy Communion in the first place), happen on the watch of priests whose love for the Eucharist probably exceeds their knowledge of the law on reception of holy Communion (through no fault of their own, doubtless), before a well-wired-world that can broadcast misinformation and even flatly wrong interpretations of an event with nary a care for correcting itself later. No matter who gets hurt along the way. And plenty of people have been hurt in this one.

I have expended no little effort over many years (like about 22) trying to get Canon 915 correctly understood and properly applied in ecclesiastical life. In the last few years, some signs of progress have appeared. Now, out of nowhere, Canon 915 is being invoked by some as justification for an action that, reading the facts as alleged in the light most favorable to the minister, would not have justified his withholding holy Communion from the woman in question. Specifically, a few minutes conversation (if that’s what happened), mostly with a third party (if that’s what happened), would not suffice, in the face of numerous canons protecting the right of the faithful to receive the sacraments, to verify either the notoriety of the (objectively) sinful situation, or to verify the obstinacy of the would-be recipient, both of which elements, among others in Canon 915, mustbe demonstrated before withholding holy Communion.
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Originally Posted by JimR-OCDS View Post
Too much hear say and statements from one side, i.e. the woman who was denied communion.

On issues like this, the dioceses has it right.

Unfortunately today, we even have Extra-Ordinary Eucharistic Ministers on another Catholic website, who think they have the authority to deny people Holy Communion.

Jim
I don't understand this. So, if I incidentally expose something I am doing that is wrong in confession to my Catholic priest (were I Catholic) and I do it without the screen so he knows who I am and I know he knows who I am, and during confession I tell him that I see nothing wrong with this and do no intend to change and he knows this information from no other place apart from confession, he has to act like he knows nothing, even though I know that he does know? That doesn't make sense nor does it seem responsible. But I may very well be missing something. I can understand that he can't say "I am denying you this because you...." but don't understand how the act of denying it based on his knowledge gained from a recent confession is wrong. If he simply said, "You can't receive today, talk to me later." it seems like at times that's the only responsible thing to do. Please clarify what I am misunderstanding here.


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Originally Posted by Anhelyna View Post
AND - as I've said before ......

we do not have the full facts of this - there are conflicting stories in the various reports of the 'incident' so we should not be making judgements .
I agree. I can see how this is interesting, but I don;'t know that any of us could ever know enough to properly conclude anything real about this alleged incident.
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