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28th February 2012, 04:32 PM
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28th February 2012, 05:03 PM
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Reps: 2,732,279,013,759,841,792 (power: 2,732,279,013,759,893) | | Originally Posted by smellslikecurlyfires This entire thread? The whole basis of your silly hopalong argument is that this is all a massive violation of the rights of Catholics, when you yourself are not Catholic and most Catholics don't actually view this as a violation of their rights.
But, of course, in Mach's World, only Mach gets to speak for an entire group of people and decide what is and is not a right.
My points have been made regarding Catholic employers and not Catholics in general. So it appears you've been arguing from a point of misconception on your part. That could explain a few things |
28th February 2012, 06:40 PM
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Reps: 21,142,423,111,673,436 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by MachZer0  My points have been made regarding Catholic employers and not Catholics in general. So it appears you've been arguing from a point of misconception on your part. That could explain a few things
Catholic employers are still Catholics, and you are not a Catholic employer.
So you're still a bit of a hypocrite. |
28th February 2012, 06:54 PM
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And by referencing Catholic employers I in no way referred to all Catholics as you erroneously claimed (all apologies accepted by the way). So you're still a bit of a hypocrite.
Hypocrite? I have to assume here you don't know what you're talking about by making such a false allegation. |
28th February 2012, 08:36 PM
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Selective memory. Or you're getting old.
In the last three or four pages of the old thread you shot out about three different put downs on liberals. I could go get them for you, but I think I'll make you do the work (not that I believe you will).
Sometimes your arguments are lost in your vitriol towards liberals. That's a shame, because sometimes your arguments are dead on (present thread excluded). It's really too bad you can't debate without insulting people.
BTW, telling someone what they're saying is illogical is not an insult.
Originally Posted by MachZer0 I'm not the one here claiming that some people have the RIGHT to use the government to force others to pay for their medicine. 
And I don't really think anyone else is claiming people have the "right". I, of course, don't presume to speak for a group of people, but it seems to me that people probably would've been happy with insurance companies merely providing the access to birth control and not necessarily paying for it. Obama had to do some serious backpedaling to make his Catholic supporters happy while at the same time keeping the women happy. He sorta overstepped it.
So here's a question regarding birth control...doesn't Planned Parenthood provide birth control for a very minimal cost, if any cost at all? It's kinda been rammed into my head the last couple of weeks that it's a big part of the services that PP offers. So...if that truly is the case, then there really is no need to force insurance companies to pay for birth control.
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28th February 2012, 08:52 PM
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In the last three or four pages of the old thread you shot out about three different put downs on liberals. I could go get them for you, but I think I'll make you do the work (not that I believe you will).
That's rather ironic considering your first comment here: Originally Posted by PreachersWife2004 Selective memory. Or you're getting old.
At any rate, the reason you won't get the putdowns by me is because they aren't there Now, if you wanted to get the putdowns OF me, you would have no problem. Here's one example (noting your silence regarding it as a putdown) Originally Posted by SmellsLikeCurlyFries Catholic employers are still Catholics, and you are not a Catholic employer.
So you're still a bit of a hypocrite.
Your silence is interesting Sometimes your arguments are lost in your vitriol towards liberals. That's a shame, because sometimes your arguments are dead on (present thread excluded). It's really too bad you can't debate without insulting people.
You haven't seen any vitriol from me. You must have me confused with someone else. BTW, telling someone what they're saying is illogical is not an insult. 
And I don't really think anyone else is claiming people have the "right". I, of course, don't presume to speak for a group of people, but it seems to me that people probably would've been happy with insurance companies merely providing the access to birth control and not necessarily paying for it. Obama had to do some serious backpedaling to make his Catholic supporters happy while at the same time keeping the women happy. He sorta overstepped it.
I don't see where Obama has made the right Catholics happy, which are the one's whose rights are being violated So here's a question regarding birth control...doesn't Planned Parenthood provide birth control for a very minimal cost, if any cost at all? It's kinda been rammed into my head the last couple of weeks that it's a big part of the services that PP offers. So...if that truly is the case, then there really is no need to force insurance companies to pay for birth control.
That's why I say this is an attack on the Church because there are plenty of ways to accomplish the goal, bizarre as it may be, without violating people's first amendment rights  |
28th February 2012, 09:05 PM
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28th February 2012, 09:14 PM
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Reps: 21,142,423,111,673,436 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by MachZer0 I don't see where Obama has made the right Catholics happy, which are the one's whose rights are being violated
Why don't you supply those Catholics first. Because from all I've looked, I've only found the Catholic leadership ticked off about this, not the average lay Catholics. |
28th February 2012, 09:15 PM
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Doesn't the health plan put out by Obama recently basically mandate health insurance? Sorta makes it a right, doesn't it??
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28th February 2012, 09:19 PM
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Reps: 2,732,279,013,759,841,792 (power: 2,732,279,013,759,893) | | Originally Posted by SmellsLikeCurlyFries Why don't you supply those Catholics first.
Why would you suppy Catholics with something they don't want? Because from all I've looked, I've only found the Catholic leadership ticked off about this, not the average lay Catholics.
It's the leadership whose rights are going to be violated because they are the employers | | |
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