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Old 27th February 2012, 03:43 AM
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Christians under martial law???

I have been very confused about what to do if America is ever faced with martial law and/or an oppressive dictatorship to where you can easily be labeled an enemy of the state and sought after to be indefinetly detained or killed.

Would it be a sin to protect myself and my family from unlawful arrest or being killed by a corrupted military under a dictatorship?

I know we are to obey authority but America isn't like Rome was. Our ultimate authority beside God is the constitution. And for there to be a dictator in America is to go against the supreme law of the land. Therefore to me, to disobey a dictator in America would be to obey the law of the land which is the constitution which states we have threats both foreign and domestic and forbids a dictatorship but gives us a division in powers, etc...

So lets say they start sending people off to camps like they did in the Holocaust, would it be wrong for me to pick up arms to protect me and my family from possible death, torture, rape, etc?

Now, perhaps I shouldn't bear arms if it becomes illegal to be a Christian, but rather flee into the wilderness, and if caught then surrender and assume it was God's will that I be found to be a martyr? Or once found, protect myself and my family by bearing arms even if they are seeking my arrest and death for being a Christian?

But if it has nothing to do with my religion, then am I ok to protect my life?

I take this very seriously and don't want to be wrong and be guilty of a great sin. Thank you all for your time. God bless.
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With all the internal forces in America, I think it will take more Americans to stand up with arms than will do it (at least here in NE cities) to cause the government to back away from attacking you or anyone else who stands up for their rights to a dictator.

I pray the Military would never fire on their own people in America, nit if they were willing to follow orders to fire on their fellow citizens, I don't see how any group of civilians could stand up against them.

So no I don't think taking up arms to fight a dictator will protect your family. But I do agree that a dictator will be a forsaking of our founding father's vision for America. Actually we have given up too many rights the fathers wrote for us already. On the positive side, we have some rights they didn't define.

Take the post office. Its illegal to tamper with a person mail without a court order. Since our emails today are the same in my mind as letters were, it should be illegal to be opened electrically. That's how I see it.
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Originally Posted by youngdisciplectl3 View Post
I have been very confused about what to do if America is ever faced with martial law and/or an oppressive dictatorship to where you can easily be labeled an enemy of the state and sought after to be indefinetly detained or killed.

Would it be a sin to protect myself and my family from unlawful arrest or being killed by a corrupted military under a dictatorship?

I know we are to obey authority but America isn't like Rome was. Our ultimate authority beside God is the constitution. And for there to be a dictator in America is to go against the supreme law of the land. Therefore to me, to disobey a dictator in America would be to obey the law of the land which is the constitution which states we have threats both foreign and domestic and forbids a dictatorship but gives us a division in powers, etc...

So lets say they start sending people off to camps like they did in the Holocaust, would it be wrong for me to pick up arms to protect me and my family from possible death, torture, rape, etc?

Now, perhaps I shouldn't bear arms if it becomes illegal to be a Christian, but rather flee into the wilderness, and if caught then surrender and assume it was God's will that I be found to be a martyr? Or once found, protect myself and my family by bearing arms even if they are seeking my arrest and death for being a Christian?

But if it has nothing to do with my religion, then am I ok to protect my life?

I take this very seriously and don't want to be wrong and be guilty of a great sin. Thank you all for your time. God bless.
You're laboring under the misconception that "turning the other cheek" means you cannot protect yourself. Utter nonsense! Of course you don't have to meekly surrender to tyranny and dictatorship. God did not mean for us to be Caspar Milquetoasts when it comes to protecting our lives, our property, our faith. Do as your conscience leads you, but as for me, if confronted with tyranny and a forced rejection of this nation's and my personal values, I'll fight to the death.
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Old 27th February 2012, 07:43 PM
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In my opinion, we should defend ourselves. God always comes first, then family, and then country/work/etc...

Now if you were planning a pre-emptive strike, then you really would need to prayerful think about it and discuss it with other Christians. There could be some lines crossed based on whatever might be planned. However, defense is never wrong.

Being wrongfully imprisoned might be something that we may have to allow to happen (if caught). We should not use deadly force to defend ourselves unless our lives are in danger. Paul was wrongfully imprisoned many times, and he never tried to kill his captors. I would suggest escaping possible imprisonment as the best possible option.

Just remember, if all goes bad, God is still in control, and He would not allow it to happen if it wasn't for greater good that we may never understand.
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Old 27th February 2012, 09:41 PM
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Yes I would most certainly avoid being wrongfuly put in prison under a dictatorship, but what if found?

And to marksman315: don't worry I'm not a crazy man. lol. I'm just talking about defense. No pre-emptive stuff. Heck no.

Was it sin for our founding fathers to go to war with the British? Was it a sin to kill those men?

Dayhiker yes our rights are vanishing before our eyes. Just take the Ndaa for fiscal year 2012 for example.

Luckily 80 percent of our military or more are for Ron Paul who believes in the Constitution.

Winbysurrender: That's how I feel about the scenario but if it would ever happen I'd just want to make sure it was not a sin. I do not think it is as long as it is self defense, not pre-emptive, there are no other options, etc...

I pray to God our country is never taken over like Hitler took over. That would suck!
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Christians do not kill others. That is not the message of salvation. That is a message of fear and unbelief.
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Originally Posted by youngdisciplectl3 View Post

Was it sin for our founding fathers to go to war with the British? Was it a sin to kill those men?
Yes!

Luke 6:27 (NASB)
27 "But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
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Perhaps God will bring 'martial law' to cleanse His church? The church is a mess.
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When it happens I plan on walkin' right through em, while they're tryin' to figure out where they're at.
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First, Christians do kill other people, we've sent 1000's of christian men off to war to put down dictator's on foreign soil. The bible is clear, there is a time for war, etc...Obvious we've had recent wars, Iraq probably a mistake, but think of WW2, christian nations stood up against Hilter, in the end millions died for freedom.

Maybe your confused on we're to follow the laws of our government even if they're corrupt, etc.?

It is our God given human instinct to protect ourselves and loved ones, given to humans and animals, it's how we survive.

We certainly didn't follow the King's law when we revolted as a nation.

Think of blacks, though most protested peacefully, they were told by law not to do many things, sent to jail, beat on, not protected by government, yet they fought against a government system of racism by defying unfair law.

Maybe not up north, but down south we're all mostly armed, if our government tried as you suggested they would certainly have a fight down here in the bible belt.
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