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Unread 2nd April 2012, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by dad
No, because bullies and terrorists are not what makes good men do stuff generally.

Well if you burn korans in your backyard, will you fear?

The threats on people who do not value the things of fundamentalist folks that want to kill others are not restricted to one country.
I didn't follow a word of that. Maybe back up a step and clarify what it is you are trying to say.
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Originally Posted by NeitherFirstnorLast

In the ancient days of Israel, there were many other religions being practiced throughout Caanan. Asherah poles, fires to Moloch, Altars of Ba'al... and what did our God, who is "the same yesterday, today, and forever" say about the worship of other gods?

Exodus 20:2-3 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. You shall have no other gods before"

What did He command His people to do about these abominations, when they encountered them? What did He command Gideon to do to his father's altar and Asherah pole?

Judges 6:25 "...pull down the altar of Baal that your father has, and cut down the Asherah that is beside it"

What did the prophet Elijah say to the people about their worship of Ba'al, when he stood on Mount Carmel?
God's instructions were about worship within Israel. He didn't send his people into other people's lands to tear down their gods.


How can it be that so many people who write in on this forum do not see Islam for what it is: A worship of a false God no different at all from the false systems practiced in the ancient days!
Because that's no more than anti-Islamic propaganda that is beside the point anyway.


Qu'rans should be burned; they are full of the poisonous and vile lies of the enemy.
To what goal? The only outcome is to increase hatred. Burning books ceased to be anything more than an empty symbolic act with the invention of the printing press. In this case it becomes a symbolic act of hatred and aggression in the name of "peace".
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I didn't follow a word of that. Maybe back up a step and clarify what it is you are trying to say.
I say people that threaten other people for burning books are bullies.
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Originally Posted by dad
I say people that threaten other people for burning books are bullies.
In general I would agree. So are soldiers who take a prisoner's Quran and urinate on it in front of him.

When it's the disenfranchised or de-powered that are the aggressors, however, bullying is generally the wrong category.
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Not me. I would not condone killing hordes of people or even one over burning a bible. I have thrown a few older ones out. Civilized behavior should be considered. The world tires of savages.
Fwiw, the appropriate way to dispose of a Bible that is worn out and no longer fit for use, and which has no intrinsic value, is to either bury it (preferably in a churchyard, but anywhere will do) or to burn it. Either of these are acceptable ways to treat something that is holy and which has served its purpose. A Bible should never be simply put into a rubbish bin, although offering it to a charity shop is fine.

The Jews burned sacrifices to God all the time. Burning In Judeo Christian belief does not denote destruction; it denotes offering to God.

Moslems may have other ideas, of course, particularly in relation to the Koran. However, the only true Koran is one written in Arabic. Every Bible is a Bible; even a children's version. Not every Koran is a Koran.

If these books that were burned in Afghanistan were Afghan translations of the Koran, then they do not have the holy status of the Koran itself. And if they did happen to be Arabic, then they ought not to have been defaced by the prisoners concerned; that is not appropriate behaviour for a Moslem.
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Fwiw, the appropriate way to dispose of a Bible that is worn out and no longer fit for use, and which has no intrinsic value, is to either bury it (preferably in a churchyard, but anywhere will do) or to burn it. Either of these are acceptable ways to treat something that is holy and which has served its purpose. A Bible should never be simply put into a rubbish bin, although offering it to a charity shop is fine.

The Jews burned sacrifices to God all the time. Burning In Judeo Christian belief does not denote destruction; it denotes offering to God.

Moslems may have other ideas, of course, particularly in relation to the Koran. However, the only true Koran is one written in Arabic. If these books that were burned in Afghanistan were Afghan translations of the Koran, then they do not have the same holy status. And if they did happen to be Arabic, then they ought not to have been defaced by the prisoners concerned; that is not appropriate behaviour for a Moslem.
They will have been in Arabic, not Pashtun.

If its not in Arabic then it's not, of course, even a Quran but "an interpretation of the Quran". The emphasis on reading it in Arabic is overwhelming in Afghanistan and NWFP.
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Fwiw, the appropriate way to dispose of a Bible that is worn out and no longer fit for use, and which has no intrinsic value, is to either bury it (preferably in a churchyard, but anywhere will do) or to burn it. Either of these are acceptable ways to treat something that is holy and which has served its purpose. A Bible should never be simply put into a rubbish bin, although offering it to a charity shop is fine.
So you make up rules. OK. Hope you don't think anyone obeys them.
The Jews burned sacrifices to God all the time. Burning In Judeo Christian belief does not denote destruction; it denotes offering to God.
Who cares? I say bring the marshmallows and wine and let's fire some books up.
Moslems may have other ideas, of course, particularly in relation to the Koran. However, the only true Koran is one written in Arabic. Every Bible is a Bible; even a children's version. Not every Koran is a Koran.
That is their problem. Like I care?
If these books that were burned in Afghanistan were Afghan translations of the Koran, then they do not have the holy status of the Koran itself. And if they did happen to be Arabic, then they ought not to have been defaced by the prisoners concerned; that is not appropriate behaviour for a Moslem.
Yeah yeah. Everything ought to be in a nice little way that you like. So how do you cope with the reality it is nothing like that?
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A flipping book? You guys consider the Bible the same thing as Jesus Christ. The "Word of God". Is the Bible just a flippin book?

Just because you reject Islam, doesn't mean they don't exalt the Koran to the same level as you view the Bible.
The Bible is not the same thing as Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is God the Bible is not. The Bible is the inspired word of God but it is not God.
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So you make up rules. OK. Hope you don't think anyone obeys them.
I don't make anything up. I just remind people of the rules that already exist; whether they choose to follow those rules is up to them.

Yeah yeah. Everything ought to be in a nice little way that you like. So how do you cope with the reality it is nothing like that?
My reality is as I describe. I don't worry about anyone else's. Why should I?
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They will have been in Arabic, not Pashtun.

If its not in Arabic then it's not, of course, even a Quran but "an interpretation of the Quran". The emphasis on reading it in Arabic is overwhelming in Afghanistan and NWFP.
Well if they were in Arabic, then they ought not to have been disrepected or burned. But if they were defaced first by their owners, then that is the greater sin, and that is the reason for them being destroyed.

It is asking a lot of our armed forces to put their lives in danger every day from those who would not hesitate to kill them, and at the same time to show restraint in relation to Islamic holy texts, particularly when already defaced.
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