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13th December 2003, 12:00 AM
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Reps: 9,311,669,886,675,212 (power: 9,311,669,886,693) | | Originally Posted by PresChristian13 I don't see how people that believe in evolution aren't ashamed of coming from a monkey.
Why should we feel shame to know that our distant ancestors were primates? In fact, I think it's kind neat to know that I've got DNA in me that I've inherited from oraganisms that existed millions or billions of years ago. I feel more comfortable coming from God than coming from an evolving monkey.
*shrug* To each their own... that doesn't mean evolution is necessarily false, though. And I don't see how people can believe in evolution, because if evolution is true, then why aren't we still evolving??? 
We are still evolving. It's just the rate of evolutionary change is so slow that relative to human lifespans, we don't see any dramatic changes.
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13th December 2003, 12:14 AM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by PresChristian13 I don't see how people that believe in evolution aren't ashamed of coming from a monkey. I feel more comfortable coming from God than coming from an evolving monkey. And I don't see how people can believe in evolution, because if evolution is true, then why aren't we still evolving???
why should we be ashamed about having primitive primate ancestors? I am not ashamed that an ancestor of mine was a notorious highwayman in Cheshire who robbed lots of people, so why should I be ashamed? If anything I am more ashamed not to be a monkey, looking at what many humans are doing to each other and the world at large. And we are still evolving. |
13th December 2003, 12:25 AM
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Reps: 29,807,908,674,769,116 (power: 29,807,908,674,784) | | Originally Posted by PresChristian13 I believe in the Creation.And everyone I know believes in Creation.
I don't see how people that believe in evolution aren't ashamed of coming from a monkey. I feel more comfortable coming from God than coming from an evolving monkey. And I don't see how people can believe in evolution, because if evolution is true, then why aren't we still evolving???
(Please don't be offended by this post, I don't want to offend anyone, I'm just posting what I believe.) 
Congrats, you just admitted that your basis for being a creationist is comfort.
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13th December 2003, 03:29 AM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | It's sort of interesting that when someone starts a thread about somethin gcompletely different, a creationist has to come along and try and derail it with the usual anti-evolution rant. Aren't there enough threads for that already, or why is it necessary to hijack this one too?
To get back to the original topic, I first came across fundamentalists at university, but they didn't try the creationist tack - maybe because I was doing a science degree and they weren't. But shortly after I moved to the USA I came across creationists; it was clear they didn't have a clue about science, they didn't want to get a clue, and they felt perfectly comfortable condemning it anyway. On the other hand, they didn't think a non-True-Christian was entitled to an opinion about the Bible. Apparently the irony of holding those two positions simultaneously escaped them totally.
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13th December 2003, 09:05 AM
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Reps: 382 (power: 0) | | | I only know one creationist in the 'real' world, he goes to my grammar school. I argued with him once, and he invoked the 2LOT. The gist of the conversation went more or less like this:
Him: Evolution cannot happen because the 2LOT says that things will become more disordered.
Me: The 2LOT only applies to closed systems. The earth is not a closed system because it gains energy from the sun.
Him: But it's a scientific law? How can it apply only in some situations?
Repeat those last two sentences ad infinitum. He just didn't seem able to grasp the concept. This was worrying because we both go to a grammar school. (special state schools for the top 10% or so)
We need a greater focus on evolution during GCSE (the last compulsory science education level)
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13th December 2003, 03:17 PM
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Captain Jackson I have to say that virtually everyone I know is a Creationist, although only my best friend and his former room-mate have actually tried to make me into a Creationist. My best friend never presented any evidence for his claims- he has just told me that evolution is wrong and that we are "created in the image and likeliness of God."
It bothered me very much because he expected me to think something just because he told me too.
Has anyone else been pressured like this in real life?
Are you kidding me? Of course, I live in Texas this place runs rampant with blockheaded, under-educated, creationists.
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13th December 2003, 03:20 PM
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by PresChristian13 then why aren't we still evolving???
We are.
Just because you are not familar with something does not make it false.
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13th December 2003, 03:27 PM
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | | PresChristian13- My sister works in Dentistry. She said the amount of people being born without wisdom teeth is staggering (even compared to 15 years ago). She recently went to a conference where top Dentists from around the word spoke about this and it is BECAUSE of evolution (the Wisdom teeth are no longer needed, nature does away with them).
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13th December 2003, 03:38 PM
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Reps: 406,903,328,345,094,208 (power: 406,903,328,345,118) | | Originally Posted by Captain Jackson I have to say that virtually everyone I know is a Creationist, although only my best friend and his former room-mate have actually tried to make me into a Creationist. My best friend never presented any evidence for his claims- he has just told me that evolution is wrong and that we are "created in the image and likeliness of God."
It bothered me very much because he expected me to think something just because he told me too.
Has anyone else been pressured like this in real life?
I've had some Jehovah's Witnesses come to the door and try to pressure me. It didn't work out too well for them.  They don't come by anymore.
I never knew creationism existed until I was in grad school. Of course, I am old enough that this was when modern YEC was getting started! My roommate was a grad student in biology and he told me about Duane Gish coming to campus to debate. So I went. Then I forgot creationism for a number of years until NCSE went me a mailing to let me know that the insanity was still around.
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13th December 2003, 04:03 PM
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Reps: 21 (power: 0) | |  Okay, I didn't know there was a difference between Creation and Creationism. Now it all makes sense to me.
Now, on second thought, I have never met a Creationist or YEC in my life. I've known quite a few believers in Creation, like my mom... But other than that, not one person. I seriously thought that people rejected the idea of a 6000 year old earth in the mid 19th century before I came here.
But how can there possibly be that much disparity in the numbers of Creationists : non-Creationists between The US and Canada or Britian?
Please become more intelligent so you don't blow up the world.
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