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Originally Posted by Wayte View Post
Didn't math get a kickstart in the Muslim areas of the world back then? I know it was that general area of the world, at least.
They basically created algebra, so yes.
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Islamic Scholar Scorches PA Mufti on Terrorism - Middle East - News - Israel National News

"Allah forbid, let's assume such a massacre happened, what would you do?" Oktar asked rhetorically. "You will again brew your shisha (nargila) and lie down, scratching your tummy. Do the Jews tell you not to read the Koran? Do they tell you not to establish the Islamic Union?" he went on, determined to make it clear that there is no source in the Koran that calls for murder of the Jews -- and no justification for it.

"You can go nowhere by bloodshed. All will inflict affliction upon you if you shed blood; you will simply be on a downward spiral of bloodshed," he warned. "Pull yourselves together. I address those who advocate murder. Jews are the descendants of prophets -- Allah pre-destined them as Jews," he emphasized. "They live as Jews. The Koran refers to them as the People of the Book...one cannot simply go and kill them."
History of Jihad against the Byzantine Christians of Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey (634-1453)

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"Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will betray them saying, O' Abdullah(i.e. slave of Allah) There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him" Sahih Bukhari Hadith Vol 4, Book 52, Number 176- Sunna Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 6985

Sura 9:29"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messanger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, (even if they are) of the people of the book, until they pay the jizya(poll tax) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.30 The Jews call "Uzair a son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; in this they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say.Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the truth!"

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Originally Posted by SmellsLikeCurlyFries View Post
No, I'll address those...but only when you supply them. I'm not doing your homework for you.



I am, I'm just keeping it balanced and kicking the hypocrisy out.



Care to prove that with writings from the Qu'ran from unbiased sources? 'Cause that same guy helped make the Muslim armies during the Medieval days one of the most humane armies in human history.



Ironically, Medieval Christians did the same thing. So let's get to the REAL reason conamer doesn't like Islam, shall we?

It it because the fact that Islam is poised to overtake Christianity for "biggest and fastest growing religion", and you (like most American Christians) feel threatened that you will lose your position of power?
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Originally Posted by SmellsLikeCurlyFries View Post
Right, which is precisely what happened to Christianity back in the day (but everyone forgets). These governments run by radicals are deliberately keeping the people from knowledge in order to spread their misinterpretations of the Qu'ran.

But the U.S. doesn't recognize that and just wants to make war on the world's two billion Muslims, instead of distinguishing between the small minority of radicals and the vast majority of non-radicals, and that's exactly why most of the world hates this country.
Yeah the reformation to what the bible truley says, Wycliffe and such, yup. There is no reform of Islam-same as it ever was.
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Originally Posted by SmellsLikeCurlyFries
I can understand that a little better. We tend to fear that which we don't understand.
If you're suggesting that if Westerners understood Islam they would see that there was nothing to fear, that's wishful thinking.

Originally Posted by SmellsLikeCurlyFries
Of course, aren't they free to live their lives as they wish?
No, Shariah does not permit that. Are we free to live our lives as we wish? The US Constitution says yes. Islam says no.

Originally Posted by SmellsLikeCurlyFries
And proceeded to fill every country they conquered chock full of schools, libraries, and the most comprehensive system of social welfare on the planet.
So did the Communists. As under Communism, these were systems of social control. This is why the Great Library of Alexandria, which was full of non-Islam books, was burned by the Muslims.

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Eh. Some people can't think through their fear to decipher the difference between the radicals and the sane members of the Muslim community.
Well then, O Enligtened One, perhaps you explain the difference? The terms "radical Muslim" and "moderate Muslim" are frequently used in the Western media, but seldom by Muslims themselves. There are, of course, numerous schools of Islamic thought, but "radical" and "moderate" are not among them.

To the extent that I can discern a difference at all, the distinction seems to be a military one: hostile Muslims are called "radical" and friendly or neutral Muslims are called "moderate". As I pointed out in post #25, though, just because they're not violent doesn't mean they're friendly or neutral.
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Yeah the reformation to what the bible truley says, Wycliffe and such, yup. There is no reform of Islam-same as it ever was.
Which is why the radicals are an extreme minority and the moderate, peaceful ones are the vast majority, right?
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Originally Posted by SoldierOfTheKing View Post
If you're suggesting that if Westerners understood Islam they would see that there was nothing to fear, that's wishful thinking.
I'll agree with you there. Westerners aren't willing to understand Islam.

No, Shariah does not permit that. Are we free to live our lives as we wish? The US Constitution says yes. Islam says no.
I'm not talking about their freedom to choose their system of government. Believe it or not, plenty Muslims (the good, peaceful ones) choose Sharia Law just like Christians chose the Constitution (the difference being that Muslims follow Sharia Law better than Christians follow the Constitution).

So did the Communists. As under Communism, these were systems of social control. This is why the Great Library of Alexandria, which was full of non-Islam books, was burned by the Muslims.
And they established hundreds of other libraries, and schools. But I'm not talking about communist social welfare, I'm talking about social welfare that takes care of the poor and the needy successfully, and the social welfare of the caliphates did.

To be honest, we could do a lot to learn from that system.
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Which is why the radicals are an extreme minority and the moderate, peaceful ones are the vast majority, right?
For the most part, yes. But many Muslims, like any faith don't read all or study all and still call themselves Christian/Muslim whatever. In Islam's case many Muslims don't speak ancient Arabic as it is recited to memory(what they call prayer) and do not know many of the verses in the Qur'an or say, Hadith or Sira. In many cases they reject the abrogated verses, those that replace the Meccan/peaceful verses. So in many cases Muslims reject or don't know about the 31% of the Islamic trilogy that is devoted to jihad.

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Seriously. I never understood it myself.
Same reason they were afraid of:

The Chinese
The Russians
The Germans
The Anarchists
The Aboriginal Americans
The Mexicans
The African Americans
The British
The French

People hate those that they cannot control.
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Have you ever heard of a man by the name of Osama bin Laden? Do you remember what happened in New York City on Sept. 11 2001?

Where you are from, exactly?

Oh you mean the man that the US made in the 1970s and taught him how to overthrow a superpower called the USSR?

Yeah I know all about him. Was never scared about him. Just did not agree with his methods. Just like I don't like the methods of Bush and Obama.
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