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21st February 2012, 07:08 PM
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sO how do genes create new functions. If all we see came from a single cell organism how did the dna of it, or whatever it may have been, come to create new info to speciate into new completely different organisms. Besides the usual a tiny change at a time. Say a fish coming to get info in its dna to know what to do with a DEFECT in its reproduction that supposedly had it become a land animal. How would a animal always in the sea get info in its dna to be a land animal. know what to eat, how to deal with weather change, what food to eat, etc. maybe i have heard this explained but just have forgotten.
It just seems impossible to me to have a animal suddenly have a DEFECT in its reproduction and some how figure out how to use it in a way that makes it a whole different class of animal. wheres the info coming from to help it do such things. |
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Mutations. Originally Posted by Schroeder If all we see came from a single cell organism how did the dna of it, or whatever it may have been, come to create new info to speciate into new completely different organisms.
Again, through mutations. Originally Posted by Schroeder Besides the usual a tiny change at a time.
Why? Originally Posted by Schroeder Say a fish coming to get info in its dna to know what to do with a DEFECT in its reproduction that supposedly had it become a land animal. How would a animal always in the sea get info in its dna to be a land animal. know what to eat, how to deal with weather change, what food to eat, etc. maybe i have heard this explained but just have forgotten.
It probably wouldn't, which is why such enormous changes don't happen rapidly. Originally Posted by Schroeder It just seems impossible to me to have a animal suddenly have a DEFECT in its reproduction and some how figure out how to use it in a way that makes it a whole different class of animal.
Yeah, because it happens gradually, not all at once. Originally Posted by Schroeder wheres the info coming from to help it do such things.
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22nd February 2012, 06:20 AM
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A "defect" is only a defect if it does not add to the survivability of a species. A change in the DNA (mutation) can be very far from detrimental if it leads to a species adapting to its environment better. If its environment changes (as environments do in all kinds of ways) it's either adapt or die out. |
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Reps: 26,847,180,499,475,520 (power: 26,847,180,499,486) | | Originally Posted by artybloke A "defect" is only a defect if it does not add to the survivability of a species. A change in the DNA (mutation) can be very far from detrimental if it leads to a species adapting to its environment better. If its environment changes (as environments do in all kinds of ways) it's either adapt or die out.
say like what. give an example or a mutation that results in a physical change followed by a change in the info of the gene to use this new feature in a way that helps it. that would be two random defects that just so happend to be a plus for it. SO like a rabbit which has its coat change colors during the seasons. It happens but how, if it happened by way of some random mutation, did it get it to do it just during the changing seasons. You say one day a rabbit was born white and survived the winter becasue of camoflauge. of course in summer it wouldnt unless it changed back to brown. So at what point did it obtain the info in the genes too make it switch back and forth. Maybe there is info on this ii guess i could look it up. |
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Gosh, what an original idea! |
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hey dont get smart with me.  If i looked it up i wouldnt come here. just trying to bring up some discussion. So any examples. mutations dont create new info in genes. give an example. it may change a function but does it CREATE new INFO never had before. |
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Reps: 86,036,116,401,300,896 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Schroeder hey dont get smart with me. If i looked it up i wouldnt come here. just trying to bring up some discussion. So any examples. mutations dont create new info in genes. give an example. it may change a function but does it CREATE new INFO never had before.
I see at least two PRATTS here. I suggest you go and read a standard textbook on evolution, consult the TalkOrigins site and actually go and get some real facts rather than relying on lying blind guides of creationism. |
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Reps: 26,847,180,499,475,520 (power: 26,847,180,499,486) | | Originally Posted by artybloke I see at least two PRATTS here. I suggest you go and read a standard textbook on evolution, consult the TalkOrigins site and actually go and get some real facts rather than relying on lying blind guides of creationism.
well your PRATT is your assumption that i get all my info from YEC sites. trust me i have looked into all the ideas of it. So i should know FOR FACT that all atheist and or theistic evolutionist ONLY speak truth. But all YEC or creationist are full of it liars. stupidity is helpful sometimes but not always. thanks. Or were my PRATTS the faces. if so that would be mr and mrs PRATT. |
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Reps: 468,762,776,506,555,392 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Mr.Waffles Plain and simple, mutations are genetic defects which very rarely translate to positive biological change (fraction of 1%). They have nothing to do with the inception of new genetic information which would code for biological aspects such as structure, limbs, or organs, that is just not how they work. The idea that they play such a role is a scientific myth, they simply vary the information that is already there to begin with.
So you don't understand genetics at the level it is covered in an introductory undergraduate bio course. Fair enough. | | |
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