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19th February 2012, 03:39 AM
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This is a reboot of this thread, which I read expecting to be something other than about Utah and immigration.
Do the people who lead us still have a strong sense of morality? And will they allow that morality to guide them in their decisions they make concerning how they run our countries?
I do realise that this is an international forum, and that different people in different countries have different leaders who will think and act differently.
Personally I think "no". The expenses scandal showed that UK politicians, in general, are quite happy to get away with stealing and general dishonesty. And I feel that the Iraq war scandal showed that they were prepared to lie to the populace for political reasons. |
19th February 2012, 03:49 AM
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Reps: 562,455,330,885,403,264 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by AnotherAtheist  Do our leaders have a strong sense of morality?
God is every believers, leader.
God is the only judge of all mankind, great and small.
May God strengthen those in powerful positions to turn to God. Gods ways are perfect. |
19th February 2012, 03:57 AM
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God is the only judge of all mankind, great and small.
May God strengthen those in powerful positions to turn to God. Gods ways are perfect.
But, there are quite a few politicians out there, and they do make laws which we are supposed to obey. There are also police forces that enforce these laws. So, I think that it's valid to ask to what degree our human, political, leaders are moral. |
19th February 2012, 04:01 AM
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19th February 2012, 09:38 AM
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19th February 2012, 10:04 AM
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19th February 2012, 12:04 PM
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God is the only judge of all mankind, great and small.
May God strengthen those in powerful positions to turn to God. Gods ways are perfect.
I have pondered this. And to be honest I'm a bit worried that this sounds a little "opiate of the people"-ish.
In that, someone with strong faith may rely on God to sort out our leaders, give the oppressors their just punishment, and the oppressed their eventual reward. Which results in believers praying for political change, when perhaps more direct practical action would be more effective in limiting the excesses of the political elite. |
19th February 2012, 12:08 PM
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Reps: 673,156,110,271,296 (power: 673,156,110,277) | | Originally Posted by Paradoxum I don't know if they have a strong sense of morality. Some or even most probably did once, but the nature of politics requires compromise, making difficult decisions, and pandering to the public. They probably think they are doing the right thing considering their situation. Of course politicians will do wrong things sometimes.
In my city our lord mayor re-introduced prayer into council meetings. But, it is also alleged that he's been involved in corruption. And I have personal views and opinions on how moral a person he is. On the other hand, our elected mayer is a member of the Unitarian church, and the reason I voted for him (and would do so again), is that I consider him to be a person of high morals. |
19th February 2012, 12:55 PM
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The media loves Obama who did the bank bailout and kept two wars, and several military operations going at the same time. Most politicians are sell outs. They have to to get money for election campaigns. |
21st February 2012, 08:39 AM
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Paradoxum is right about politicians 'pandering' to the public. This is because the public is nothing more than a selfish, ignorant mob.
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