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Originally Posted by Needing_Grace View Post
Perhaps a clarification is in order.

I don't believe that all conservatives are arrogant, rude and self-righteous (some are...and may God help those of us who are sometimes arrogant, rude and self-righteous, conservative or not). If I left that impression, I'm sorry.

What I do mean to say is that people who operate out of their primitive lizard brain tend to be conservative.Let me explain using set theory. You can generally divide a group of people into liberal and conservative. Then you can generally divide the same group of people based on whether or not they operate out of their primitive lizard brain. The two criteria (politics and primitive-lizard braininess) can be analyzed independently (as shown in the study the article discusses) and the intersects show that those who do operate out of their primitive-lizard brain tend to be conservative. There are people who are conservative and do not operate out of their primitive lizard brain and vice versa.

I am a non-conservative who, unfortunately, is primitive-lizard brainy.

Interestingly, this was played with a lot of hoopla among liberals on their blogs and HuffPost.

Here's a link to the story and a preview:
To be honest, I suffer from great fear and anxiety and am hardly ever optimistic. If you've read what I think of having the gayness and how it makes my life unbearable (want time machine to go back and stop my conception: no existence, no threat of hell), you know that I'm being honest here.

I'm not conservative though. I'm more of a liberal on economic issues and a Catholic on social issues. I don't buy the Republicans line on the social issues for a lot of reasons. I can sense when things aren't kosher and lately, the Republicans are so far from kosher, they might as well be shrimp or lobster (I don't dare say pork), but don't worry, the Democrats couldn't kasher themselves if they tried.
What hogwash!

How do you explain those of us who were liberal in our blithe,ignorant youth, and embraced conservatism when we matured, joined the Church and became acquainted with the Truth?
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Originally Posted by WarriorAngel View Post
So in other words - it depends on the mortal sin - if it is really bad or not?
what are you talking about?

It depends on you not trying to P me off when you claim the moral high ground WA.

that is what it depends on. It depends on you getting out of your own way to see how you look to others, clearly as a person who can not separate the sin from the sinner.

Clearly.

and it depends on how you reject out of hand what the Catholic Church teaches about it.

The Catholic Church TEACHES that to have a SSA is not a sin nor are these people to be discriminated against by us for having a SSA.

If you posted with such passion and contempt towards all sinners, the heterosexual sinners as you do the homosexual ones, but you don't and you cant see it. You just can't see how bigoted you look and you give some of us the same feelings towards you that you have towards the gays.

You can at least admit the gays make you sick but you would be offended if someone said to you that you make them sick and you just can not see this.

Let me explain this to you, WA... you do not get to send me to hell. You do not get to judge my soul for the better or the worse. You are not the one who gets to make this call. Not for me, or the "gays" nor anyone... u do know this, right?
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Originally Posted by benedictaoo View Post
what are you talking about?

It depends on you not trying to P me off when you claim the moral high ground WA.

that is what it depends on. It depends on you getting out of your own way to see how you look to others, clearly as a person who can not separate the sin from the sinner.

Clearly.

and it depends on how you reject out of hand what the Catholic Church teaches about it.

The Catholic Church TEACHES that to have a SSA is not a sin nor are these people to be discriminated against by us for having a SSA.

If you posted with such passion and contempt towards all sinners, the heterosexual sinners as you do the homosexual ones, but you don't and you cant see it. You just can't see how bigoted you look and you give some of us the same feelings towards you that you have towards the gays.

You can at least admit the gays make you sick but you would be offended if someone said to you that you make them sick and you just can not see this.

Let me explain this to you, WA... you do not get to send me to hell. You do not get to judge my soul for the better or the worse. You are not the one who gets to make this call. Not for me, or the "gays" nor anyone... u do know this, right?
There's a big difference. Heterosexual sinners do not try to force acceptance of their sin on those who think they are wrong, or call their critics heterophobic and hateful. They usually actually agree that what they are doing is a sin, they just don't care. It is not bigoted to react defensively when a clear moral teaching of the church is under assault and made illegal in some places. We are the ones under assault, not them. And I don't think anyone here is "sending you to hell". But openly and aggressively defying the word of God and justifying sin and denouncing anyone who disagrees with you does make one wonder, and perhaps pray for you.
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There's a big difference. Heterosexual sinners do not try to force acceptance of their sin on those who think they are wrong, or call their critics heterophobic and hateful. They usually actually agree that what they are doing is a sin, they just don't care. It is not bigoted to react defensively when a clear moral teaching of the church is under assault and made illegal in some places. We are the ones under assault, not them. And I don't think anyone here is "sending you to hell". But openly and aggressively defying the word of God and justifying sin and denouncing anyone who disagrees with you does make one wonder, and perhaps pray for you.
and that is an opinion and not what the Church says... I do not have to agree with this because the Church simply does not teach an attitude such as this and I get to still be Catholic... wow, huh?

and if gays were given the same rights as straight ppl, then they would get just as comfortable as the straights.


look, this just boils down to we think our hetero sex sins are nicer then the gay ones but they really aren't. two straight ppl who engage in sodomy is just as sick and perverted and gross as two gay men but for some reason, we think it far worse when two men do it. when two women do it (sex) straight men think that's hot... we are messed up, how we view sex. its a cultural thing.

Some crazy Catholics even think its okay to engage in sodomy if u are married as long as it all ends in regular sex. needless to say i disagree but when we see married ppl, we really don't now what they do. we know what gays do and so we think we have a right to see them as worse and us a better.

we can at least admit that we are conditioned this way. its our world view, what is engaraind and embedded in us. Its not "Church teaching".
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Originally Posted by brewmama View Post
There's a big difference. Heterosexual sinners do not try to force acceptance of their sin on those who think they are wrong, or call their critics heterophobic and hateful. They usually actually agree that what they are doing is a sin, they just don't care. It is not bigoted to react defensively when a clear moral teaching of the church is under assault and made illegal in some places. We are the ones under assault, not them. And I don't think anyone here is "sending you to hell". But openly and aggressively defying the word of God and justifying sin and denouncing anyone who disagrees with you does make one wonder, and perhaps pray for you.
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Originally Posted by benedictaoo View Post
and that is an opinion and not what the Church says... I do not have to agree with this because the Church simply does not teach an attitude such as this and I get to still be Catholic... wow, huh?
What are you saying? That homosexual sex is not against Church teaching? That homosexual "marriage" is not against Church teaching? Are you seriously saying that?

Originally Posted by benedictaoo View Post
and if gays were given the same rights as straight ppl, then they would get just as comfortable as the straights.


look, this just boils down to we think our hetero sex sins are nicer then the gay ones but they really aren't. two straight ppl who engage in sodomy is just as sick and perverted and gross as two gay men but for some reason, we think it far worse when two men do it. when two women do it (sex) straight men think that's hot... we are messed up, how we view sex. its a cultural thing.

Some crazy Catholics even think its okay to engage in sodomy if u are married as long as it all ends in regular sex. needless to say i disagree but when we see married ppl, we really don't now what they do. we know what gays do and so we think we have a right to see them as worse and us a better.

we can at least admit that we are conditioned this way. its our world view, what is engaraind and embedded in us. Its not "Church teaching".
Why do you assume to know what people are thinking? I don't know people who "think" the things you say we think. And I have not heard of any heterosexual married people clamoring to make sodomy a natural accepted practice. Again, it is the homosexual activists trying to force their beliefs and desires on our moral code, that is causing backlash, and not whatever it is they are doing behind closed doors.
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What are you saying? That homosexual sex is not against Church teaching? That homosexual "marriage" is not against Church teaching? Are you seriously saying that?



Why do you assume to know what people are thinking? I don't know people who "think" the things you say we think. And I have not heard of any heterosexual married people clamoring to make sodomy a natural accepted practice. Again, it is the homosexual activists trying to force their beliefs and desires on our moral code, that is causing backlash, and not whatever it is they are doing behind closed doors.
Crazy huh?
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What are you saying? That homosexual sex is not against Church teaching? That homosexual "marriage" is not against Church teaching? Are you seriously saying that?
Thats often how it seems.
Taking a portion of the CCC that we love SSA as tho the Church exonerates the sin of the act.

Try as you might - some cant seem to separate these.
Why do you assume to know what people are thinking? I don't know people who "think" the things you say we think. And I have not heard of any heterosexual married people clamoring to make sodomy a natural accepted practice. Again, it is the homosexual activists trying to force their beliefs and desires on our moral code, that is causing backlash, and not whatever it is they are doing behind closed doors.
Agree.


Bene i was using an analogy.
You lose control it seems - or something - when anyone mentions the act of gays is a sin.
You turn it around over and over again that the Church says.....[etc etc etc] as tho we are all clueless except for you.
Ignoring the important part of what the Church says - the act is a sin - a grave sin.

So anyway - the analogy is if you defend SSA with every fiber in your being - would YOU defend equally the act of a hetero adulterer - and would it feel differently for you if it was your husband - [ALL HYPOTHETICAL] and would it seem like the sin was a horrible offense - or would you equally say 'Get over it, adultery is here to stay...?'

NOW - you admitted you didnt read my post - but you jump all over me without regard to what was said.


I believe a good majority tire of trying to defend themselves against the attacks because somehow some can not bother to read what others are ACTUALLY SAYING.

You said i made it personal when i said i wondered if adultery if it affected you thru your husband - would be treated the same as the gay lifestyle.
OR maybe the second time i inquire - in this post - you will read it - comprehend it...maybe think about it?

We'll see.



Adulterers could be branded with a scarlet letter forever - if you like.
OR maybe just maybe they would change for the Lord.

IS it possible?
ANd if it is possible - are they to be called Christians - converted of heart - or adulterers forever?

There are some who never stop committing adultery - serial adulterers. IS it not a cross to overcome such temptations if they are prone to it...? And are they always going to be called an adulterer if they change due to God?
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Originally Posted by brewmama View Post
There's a big difference. Heterosexual sinners do not try to force acceptance of their sin on those who think they are wrong, or call their critics heterophobic and hateful. They usually actually agree that what they are doing is a sin, they just don't care. It is not bigoted to react defensively when a clear moral teaching of the church is under assault and made illegal in some places. We are the ones under assault, not them. And I don't think anyone here is "sending you to hell". But openly and aggressively defying the word of God and justifying sin and denouncing anyone who disagrees with you does make one wonder, and perhaps pray for you.
The reason that we aren't under as great an attack by heterosexual sinners is because we ignore them. We don't object to the government recognizing such shams as marriages after divorce without annulment, marriages of convenience, marriages which are not open to life, etc. If we actively tried to keep the government from recorganizing their marriages, they would take the track of being hostile to us too, rather than their current path of merely pointing and laughing. We don't campaign to keep hospitals from performing sterilizations, we don't campaign to keep our government from providing contraceptives to its servicemen and women, we just oppose the gays who want to marry. I suspect they'd have a greater respect for us if we were a little more consistent.
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