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Secular vs. Satanic

Lately, I have heard a few people at my church call certain things of the world "satanic."

I don't know how many of you have hard of Mark Driscoll, the pastor of Mars Hill church in Seattle, but I watched a video of him on YouTube calling yoga "satanic" because of its hindu origins.

My question is: for you, what is the line between something that is secular vs. something that is satanic or demonic?

In my opinion, yoga is not something to be classified as satanic but rather just secular. Secular things can be redeemed by God but Satanic things cannot.

What are your thoughts? Examples would be appreciated too!
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Unread 13th February 2012, 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Noblerare View Post
Lately, I have heard a few people at my church call certain things of the world "satanic."

I don't know how many of you have hard of Mark Driscoll, the pastor of Mars Hill church in Seattle, but I watched a video of him on YouTube calling yoga "satanic" because of its hindu origins.

My question is: for you, what is the line between something that is secular vs. something that is satanic or demonic?

In my opinion, yoga is not something to be classified as satanic but rather just secular. Secular things can be redeemed by God but Satanic things cannot.

What are your thoughts? Examples would be appreciated too!
To those very fundy anything of the world is almost satanic. Think about the apostle Paul speaking towards the eating of meat used in pagan worship, he told gentile christians that there was nothing wrong with eating the meat as long as they didn't partake of paganism, but also said the jews were right in not eating it because of their laws. Most fundy pastors can't seperate activity from beliefs, so they just call it satanic, very silly.
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Secular vs Satanic

Dear Noblerare. God is Love, Satan flees from anything that is Love, and the world (Secular) is selfish first, then sometimes love in varying degrees, seldom selfless. I say this with love. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.
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Secular isn't Satanic.

My goodness Manicheanism is popular these days...

...and mind you, I'm referring to your (the OP) fellow parishioners, not you.

The secular isn't the opposite of the sacred. The profane is.

Yoga has been proven to have real health benefits. It is true that it is also a part of Sanatana Dharma ("Hinduism"), but practicing it in and of itself, without attaching any of the theology behind it (in other words, practicing it for its health and not using it religiously), is completely harmless and truly secular, as you have said.

Your fellow parishioners are unfortunately not quite an enlightened as you. Do not fear practicing yoga. So long as you don't attach any Hindu belief to it and use it only as an exercise, then it is perfectly fine and you are absolutely not sinning.
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Originally Posted by PaladinValer View Post
My goodness Manicheanism is popular these days...
First, its "Manichaeism", and second, do you know what it is, as you are so fond of using the term?

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My goodness Manicheanism is popular these days...
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LOL
You've done that a lot whenever you've ever replied to my posts.

Please, qualify it, or desist. Thank you for your time.
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The word "Satanic" will loose all meaning if over-used.
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Satanic and Christian and Secular are all the same, the only difference is how much you admit and how much you hide.
How can there be no separation between Christian and Satanic?
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